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	<title>Comments on: Mormons and Monsters: Musing upon one point of editing</title>
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		<title>By: Adam Greenwood</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40138</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Greenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:30:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3-4</description>
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		<title>By: American Yak</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40099</link>
		<dc:creator>American Yak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 11:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just do it, damn it! ;)</description>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40093</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 03:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

The deadline is this October. So you have some time but not loads.

And I agree that there is a distinct and important difference between D and M&amp;M. Differences I have been mulling for a while now. And while I have no doubt I could pull a story off for this antho, I agree that the editor experience betters any story and I refuse to give it up. With this collection everyone who is accepted will get notes from both William and myself (probably; this is not a contract). If I do include myself, I will want to duplicate that experience for myself.</description>
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<p>The deadline is this October. So you have some time but not loads.</p>
<p>And I agree that there is a distinct and important difference between D and M&amp;M. Differences I have been mulling for a while now. And while I have no doubt I could pull a story off for this antho, I agree that the editor experience betters any story and I refuse to give it up. With this collection everyone who is accepted will get notes from both William and myself (probably; this is not a contract). If I do include myself, I will want to duplicate that experience for myself.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Torcasso Downing</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40092</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Torcasso Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 03:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To quote our current president, &quot;Let me be clear.&quot; I&#039;m fine with an editor including his/her work in an anthology. I just think the editing process leading to publication needs to be top notch and, well, detached from the writer. We all think our stories are &quot;ready&quot; when we submit. I don&#039;t know about you folks, but I&#039;ve never met an editor who didn&#039;t make me look a lot better than I am. No writer should rob himself of that experience.

And William, I&#039;m glad to hear that you&#039;d like to see M&amp;M combine the talents of genre writers and literary writers. Personally, I love the supernatural in stories, the monstrous, ghostly, creepy crawly supernatural. I&#039;ve messed with the genre in children&#039;s fiction, but not in fiction for grown-ups. I read about this project and, at the gut level, I thought how fun. I&#039;d love to give it a whirl, but I&#039;ve got other projects to finish. Remind us all of the deadline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To quote our current president, &#8220;Let me be clear.&#8221; I&#8217;m fine with an editor including his/her work in an anthology. I just think the editing process leading to publication needs to be top notch and, well, detached from the writer. We all think our stories are &#8220;ready&#8221; when we submit. I don&#8217;t know about you folks, but I&#8217;ve never met an editor who didn&#8217;t make me look a lot better than I am. No writer should rob himself of that experience.</p>
<p>And William, I&#8217;m glad to hear that you&#8217;d like to see M&amp;M combine the talents of genre writers and literary writers. Personally, I love the supernatural in stories, the monstrous, ghostly, creepy crawly supernatural. I&#8217;ve messed with the genre in children&#8217;s fiction, but not in fiction for grown-ups. I read about this project and, at the gut level, I thought how fun. I&#8217;d love to give it a whirl, but I&#8217;ve got other projects to finish. Remind us all of the deadline.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:32:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with Lisa -- I don&#039;t mind as long as the story has been edited independently of the author. 

I also think the editor&#039;s experience and name enter into the equation. For a big-name author, sure you generally expect the author to include his story in the anthology.

But if the author has little or no experience and doesn&#039;t have a name that will attract readers, I&#039;m suspicious when I see their own work in an anthology. I&#039;m less likely to purchase it if I think the editor has put his own story into the anthology to complete the book or fan his own ego.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with Lisa &#8212; I don&#8217;t mind as long as the story has been edited independently of the author. </p>
<p>I also think the editor&#8217;s experience and name enter into the equation. For a big-name author, sure you generally expect the author to include his story in the anthology.</p>
<p>But if the author has little or no experience and doesn&#8217;t have a name that will attract readers, I&#8217;m suspicious when I see their own work in an anthology. I&#8217;m less likely to purchase it if I think the editor has put his own story into the anthology to complete the book or fan his own ego.</p>
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		<title>By: William Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40088</link>
		<dc:creator>William Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 01:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find both the characterization of the two projects as well as the need to delineate between the two and any attendant anxiety in relation to issues such as self-inclusion representative of a concern for literary gentility that doesn&#039;t interest me as much as it once did. That doesn&#039;t mean I don&#039;t value those points of view because I need to be pushed back at often. In fact, more often. I&#039;m just reporting where I&#039;m at at the moment in my thinking and interests.

Let me be clear: my M&amp;M co-editor gave Dispensation a good review, and it&#039;s on the top my list to buy (well, maybe second to Rift). I also hope some day to edit a more literary-fiction oriented project somewhat similar to Dispensation. 

Let me be doubly clear: We&#039;re hoping that writers of all stripes and definitions and levels of experience and reputation will participate in M&amp;M. I have a personal interest in the meeting of literary and genre so I would be very happy if any of the writers included in Dispensation and any of the writers published in Irreantum over the past few years were to try their hand at the challenge we&#039;ve presented. 

And speaking of that challenge/task/lark/holy mission: as hypocritical as it may be, I don&#039;t know yet if I personally as a writer of literary and genre fiction am up to the challenge. We&#039;ll see. And I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll spill all when it comes time for me to take it up. 

As editor, project manager and marketer though, I&#039;m quite sure that I&#039;m capable. This is not an expression of anxiety. I just want to be triply clear that the editor/critic is totally gung ho and armed to the teeth for this expedition. The literary/genre writer is still sitting at the bar fidgeting a coaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find both the characterization of the two projects as well as the need to delineate between the two and any attendant anxiety in relation to issues such as self-inclusion representative of a concern for literary gentility that doesn&#8217;t interest me as much as it once did. That doesn&#8217;t mean I don&#8217;t value those points of view because I need to be pushed back at often. In fact, more often. I&#8217;m just reporting where I&#8217;m at at the moment in my thinking and interests.</p>
<p>Let me be clear: my M&amp;M co-editor gave Dispensation a good review, and it&#8217;s on the top my list to buy (well, maybe second to Rift). I also hope some day to edit a more literary-fiction oriented project somewhat similar to Dispensation. </p>
<p>Let me be doubly clear: We&#8217;re hoping that writers of all stripes and definitions and levels of experience and reputation will participate in M&amp;M. I have a personal interest in the meeting of literary and genre so I would be very happy if any of the writers included in Dispensation and any of the writers published in Irreantum over the past few years were to try their hand at the challenge we&#8217;ve presented. </p>
<p>And speaking of that challenge/task/lark/holy mission: as hypocritical as it may be, I don&#8217;t know yet if I personally as a writer of literary and genre fiction am up to the challenge. We&#8217;ll see. And I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll spill all when it comes time for me to take it up. </p>
<p>As editor, project manager and marketer though, I&#8217;m quite sure that I&#8217;m capable. This is not an expression of anxiety. I just want to be triply clear that the editor/critic is totally gung ho and armed to the teeth for this expedition. The literary/genre writer is still sitting at the bar fidgeting a coaster.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40087</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lisa,

Good points. Taking it a step further, there are two different &quot;editorial&quot; functions that we&#039;re talking about here: selection, and guiding the author in making revisions. For both roles, I think it&#039;s probably a good idea to involve someone besides just the author of the work -- but for the latter function, I agree that it&#039;s critical. 

I also think Dispensation was a different beast in yet a different way, in that its publication included an (implicit or explicit) claim to be a selection from among the best of a given literary field. M&amp;M is a rather different thing: an offering of stories within a particular niche. I suspect there&#039;s a lot more stringent standard regarding self-inclusion in something of the Dispensation type, and rightly so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisa,</p>
<p>Good points. Taking it a step further, there are two different &#8220;editorial&#8221; functions that we&#8217;re talking about here: selection, and guiding the author in making revisions. For both roles, I think it&#8217;s probably a good idea to involve someone besides just the author of the work &#8212; but for the latter function, I agree that it&#8217;s critical. </p>
<p>I also think Dispensation was a different beast in yet a different way, in that its publication included an (implicit or explicit) claim to be a selection from among the best of a given literary field. M&#038;M is a rather different thing: an offering of stories within a particular niche. I suspect there&#8217;s a lot more stringent standard regarding self-inclusion in something of the Dispensation type, and rightly so.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Torcasso Downing</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40086</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Torcasso Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:13:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say _M&amp;M_ and _Dispensation_ are different fruit because _Dispensation_ is a collection of previously published (and professionally edited) stories which Angela compiled. But _M&amp;M_ will be a collection of new work, never before handled by an editor or publisher. Hence, an apple and an orange.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say _M&amp;M_ and _Dispensation_ are different fruit because _Dispensation_ is a collection of previously published (and professionally edited) stories which Angela compiled. But _M&amp;M_ will be a collection of new work, never before handled by an editor or publisher. Hence, an apple and an orange.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa Torcasso Downing</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2010/mormons-monsters-musings-000/comment-page-1/#comment-40085</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa Torcasso Downing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 23:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know this probably goes without saying, but I&#039;m going to say it anyway because I think some of the comments suggest that _Monsters and Mormons_ and _Dispensation_ are the same type of fruit, which they really aren&#039;t. If I understand, Theric, you will be the editor of _M&amp;M_. You are planning to write a story for it and are considering including that work. This would make you both writer and editor. 

Angela, however, did not edit her own story; she included it. Its was edited by the both the good folks at _Dialogue_ and then Beth at Parables. (I don&#039;t really know which came first.) But the writer of &quot;Thanksgiving&quot; was certainly not self-editing. 

I think any editor will be taking a huge risk if he/she edits his/her own work. If its edited by someone other than yourself, your dear friend or your mother--a pro, really, is what I&#039;m saying--and there is a concensus among respected voices that the editor&#039;s story deserves a place in the collection more than this other guy over here, put it in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this probably goes without saying, but I&#8217;m going to say it anyway because I think some of the comments suggest that _Monsters and Mormons_ and _Dispensation_ are the same type of fruit, which they really aren&#8217;t. If I understand, Theric, you will be the editor of _M&amp;M_. You are planning to write a story for it and are considering including that work. This would make you both writer and editor. </p>
<p>Angela, however, did not edit her own story; she included it. Its was edited by the both the good folks at _Dialogue_ and then Beth at Parables. (I don&#8217;t really know which came first.) But the writer of &#8220;Thanksgiving&#8221; was certainly not self-editing. </p>
<p>I think any editor will be taking a huge risk if he/she edits his/her own work. If its edited by someone other than yourself, your dear friend or your mother&#8211;a pro, really, is what I&#8217;m saying&#8211;and there is a concensus among respected voices that the editor&#8217;s story deserves a place in the collection more than this other guy over here, put it in.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 22:21:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it&#039;s so much Mormon nice as bending-over-backwards to appear objective, which may be a variety of parochial paranoia over appearing parochial.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s so much Mormon nice as bending-over-backwards to appear objective, which may be a variety of parochial paranoia over appearing parochial.</p>
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