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	<title>Comments on: Q&amp;A with Zoe Murdock author of &#8220;Torn by God&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Zoe Murdock</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/zoe-murdock-torn-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-36235</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Murdock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

I just found this article on my great grandfather, Samuel Sudbury, which tells of his relationship to Brigham Young and John Taylor, the names of his three wives, and the fact that he was Superintendent of all Brigham Young&#039;s mills for a time. Search for Sudbury (Samuel John).

http://www.archive.org/stream/latterdaysaintbi02jensrich/latterdaysaintbi02jensrich_djvu.txt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I just found this article on my great grandfather, Samuel Sudbury, which tells of his relationship to Brigham Young and John Taylor, the names of his three wives, and the fact that he was Superintendent of all Brigham Young&#8217;s mills for a time. Search for Sudbury (Samuel John).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.archive.org/stream/latterdaysaintbi02jensrich/latterdaysaintbi02jensrich_djvu.txt" rel="nofollow">http://www.archive.org/stream/latterdaysaintbi02jensrich/latterdaysaintbi02jensrich_djvu.txt</a></p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Murdock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoe Murdock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 22:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,

Someone told me today that it was John Taylor that my great grandfather hid at the mill, not Brigham Young. I didn&#039;t think to try to find out what was true while I was writing my novel, because I&#039;ve thought all my life it was Brigham Young. If I find out any thing more about the circumstances regarding John Taylor, I&#039;ll let you know here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>Someone told me today that it was John Taylor that my great grandfather hid at the mill, not Brigham Young. I didn&#8217;t think to try to find out what was true while I was writing my novel, because I&#8217;ve thought all my life it was Brigham Young. If I find out any thing more about the circumstances regarding John Taylor, I&#8217;ll let you know here.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Murdock</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/zoe-murdock-torn-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-36136</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Murdock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 15:32:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Andrew, your history may be better than mine, but I heard all my life that my great grandfather, who had a mill in City Creek Canyon, hid Brigham Young when the U.S. militia was coming for him. I would like to hear about it if you find other information about my great grandfather, even if you spoil my childhood illusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Andrew, your history may be better than mine, but I heard all my life that my great grandfather, who had a mill in City Creek Canyon, hid Brigham Young when the U.S. militia was coming for him. I would like to hear about it if you find other information about my great grandfather, even if you spoil my childhood illusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew H.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/zoe-murdock-torn-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-36135</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 14:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have to look it up somewhere, but I am pretty sure Brigham Young never had to be hid in a canyon. The Utah War came to a negotiated end in 1858, with Brigham Young still in command of a sizable militia, and never in any immediate danger of capture.  He remained a public figure after that until his death in 1877, under no threat of prosecution. It was only in the 1880s, after the Edmunds act, that the Church leadership went underground.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to look it up somewhere, but I am pretty sure Brigham Young never had to be hid in a canyon. The Utah War came to a negotiated end in 1858, with Brigham Young still in command of a sizable militia, and never in any immediate danger of capture.  He remained a public figure after that until his death in 1877, under no threat of prosecution. It was only in the 1880s, after the Edmunds act, that the Church leadership went underground.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 13:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll get to it at some point.  My commitment to other projects means that I have to be highly selective about my reading due to time constraints, so I have quite a backlog.  And even then, I don&#039;t know that I&#039;ll have anything intelligent to say about your book when I do, Zoe, but if I do, I imagine you&#039;ll be among the first to know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure I&#8217;ll get to it at some point.  My commitment to other projects means that I have to be highly selective about my reading due to time constraints, so I have quite a backlog.  And even then, I don&#8217;t know that I&#8217;ll have anything intelligent to say about your book when I do, Zoe, but if I do, I imagine you&#8217;ll be among the first to know.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/zoe-murdock-torn-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-36055</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 03:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Zoe: Thank you so much for the Q&amp;A re your book. Of particular interest were your comments that problems begin to arise when we believe we have the one and only truth to the exclusion of others&#039; &quot;truths&quot; or beliefs. That is probably the crux of problem with Mormonism as it relates to the rest of the world. Your comments about how much your father wanted to know God and what God wanted of him hit home as my father was much like that too. Polygamy is a part of my family history as well.  My great x2 grandfather took two extra wives upon his arrival in Utah in 1850. I am half way through your book and I find it fascinating.  Greg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Zoe: Thank you so much for the Q&amp;A re your book. Of particular interest were your comments that problems begin to arise when we believe we have the one and only truth to the exclusion of others&#8217; &#8220;truths&#8221; or beliefs. That is probably the crux of problem with Mormonism as it relates to the rest of the world. Your comments about how much your father wanted to know God and what God wanted of him hit home as my father was much like that too. Polygamy is a part of my family history as well.  My great x2 grandfather took two extra wives upon his arrival in Utah in 1850. I am half way through your book and I find it fascinating.  Greg</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Murdock</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/zoe-murdock-torn-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-36053</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Murdock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 23:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I like what you&#039;ve written here, ET. And I would be honored and excited if you read my book some day and comment on it. I&#039;ve been searching for someone to look at it deeply and I like very much your question about whether it has something akin to Abraham and Sarah at play. I want to know more. Much more. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I like what you&#8217;ve written here, ET. And I would be honored and excited if you read my book some day and comment on it. I&#8217;ve been searching for someone to look at it deeply and I like very much your question about whether it has something akin to Abraham and Sarah at play. I want to know more. Much more. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: ET</title>
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		<dc:creator>ET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2009 21:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be interested in reading the book at some point, probably when I finish working on mine.  I grew up a half a mile away from a polygamist colony and easily a third of my school was made of kids from there.  I was (and remain) good friends with many of them.  Some have distanced themselves from it and carry deep-seated emotional scars.  Others have embraced it (such as my dear friend who just took his second wife).  There were occasionally people in my ward who left the church in order to practice polygamy (consenting husbands and wives, in most cases) and people from the colony who would leave and come join my ward.  I even remember one fellow and his wife who left to become polygamous and after a few years, he came back to the church and she stayed in the colony and married into another family.  I grew up with kids named Nephi, Israel, and Heber, and who largely observed my beliefs better than I did.  Phenomenologically, it was an unexceptional part of my childhood.

But because of this, I have spent quite a significant amount of time pondering polygamy and its role not only in church history and other dispensations, but in the eternities as well.  I ponder it not in the hope of ever practicing it, but that I might understand something of eternity and discipleship.  My mother taught me that the plan of salvation is designed to make us only as happy as we want to be and no happier.  Like Zoe&#039;s mother, I must ask myself, &quot;if this is heaven, is heaven what I want?&quot;  

Perhaps &quot;understanding&quot; polygamy is not the correct idea in play here.  I could just as easily say &quot;categorizing&quot; polygamy or understanding &quot;sacrifice&quot; and ponder along the same pathway, I feel.  The Prophet Joseph taught that we must be prepared to sacrifice even as Abraham, whom I also wonder about.  Was he better off for the experience of almost sacrificing his son, or was he scarred by it?  What does it do to a man to learn that he is capable of sacrificing his only son for the Lord?  Because this story didn&#039;t end when they descended the mount.  What passed between Abraham and Isaac whenever they looked at each other forever after that?  And what&#039;s more, what passed between Abraham and Sarah?  Perhaps she rejoiced that her husband had obeyed the Lord in Moriah.  Perhaps she dreaded that he would again on some future day.  Their bond and the measure of their discipleship is as inscrutable to me as that between a man and plural wives.  I have no desire to ever sacrifice any of my children -- the thought is horrifying -- and yet I would be a disciple worthy of a place at the right hand of God.  Perhaps, I only want to be &quot;so&quot; happy, and no more.

Thus, without reading the novel, I sympathize with both Zoe&#039;s mother and father.  I wonder if there isn&#039;t something akin to Abraham and Sarah at play here.  Although in this case, the Abraham in question seems to have gone to the land of Moriah with the hope -- but not the commandment -- of meeting the Lord upon the mount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll be interested in reading the book at some point, probably when I finish working on mine.  I grew up a half a mile away from a polygamist colony and easily a third of my school was made of kids from there.  I was (and remain) good friends with many of them.  Some have distanced themselves from it and carry deep-seated emotional scars.  Others have embraced it (such as my dear friend who just took his second wife).  There were occasionally people in my ward who left the church in order to practice polygamy (consenting husbands and wives, in most cases) and people from the colony who would leave and come join my ward.  I even remember one fellow and his wife who left to become polygamous and after a few years, he came back to the church and she stayed in the colony and married into another family.  I grew up with kids named Nephi, Israel, and Heber, and who largely observed my beliefs better than I did.  Phenomenologically, it was an unexceptional part of my childhood.</p>
<p>But because of this, I have spent quite a significant amount of time pondering polygamy and its role not only in church history and other dispensations, but in the eternities as well.  I ponder it not in the hope of ever practicing it, but that I might understand something of eternity and discipleship.  My mother taught me that the plan of salvation is designed to make us only as happy as we want to be and no happier.  Like Zoe&#8217;s mother, I must ask myself, &#8220;if this is heaven, is heaven what I want?&#8221;  </p>
<p>Perhaps &#8220;understanding&#8221; polygamy is not the correct idea in play here.  I could just as easily say &#8220;categorizing&#8221; polygamy or understanding &#8220;sacrifice&#8221; and ponder along the same pathway, I feel.  The Prophet Joseph taught that we must be prepared to sacrifice even as Abraham, whom I also wonder about.  Was he better off for the experience of almost sacrificing his son, or was he scarred by it?  What does it do to a man to learn that he is capable of sacrificing his only son for the Lord?  Because this story didn&#8217;t end when they descended the mount.  What passed between Abraham and Isaac whenever they looked at each other forever after that?  And what&#8217;s more, what passed between Abraham and Sarah?  Perhaps she rejoiced that her husband had obeyed the Lord in Moriah.  Perhaps she dreaded that he would again on some future day.  Their bond and the measure of their discipleship is as inscrutable to me as that between a man and plural wives.  I have no desire to ever sacrifice any of my children &#8212; the thought is horrifying &#8212; and yet I would be a disciple worthy of a place at the right hand of God.  Perhaps, I only want to be &#8220;so&#8221; happy, and no more.</p>
<p>Thus, without reading the novel, I sympathize with both Zoe&#8217;s mother and father.  I wonder if there isn&#8217;t something akin to Abraham and Sarah at play here.  Although in this case, the Abraham in question seems to have gone to the land of Moriah with the hope &#8212; but not the commandment &#8212; of meeting the Lord upon the mount.</p>
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		<title>By: chanson</title>
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		<dc:creator>chanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 07:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ah-ha! I should have known that chanson would have reviewed Torn by God already.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly!  When it comes to indie-published works on the fringes of Mormon culture, you know I&#039;m on the job! :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ah-ha! I should have known that chanson would have reviewed Torn by God already.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly!  When it comes to indie-published works on the fringes of Mormon culture, you know I&#8217;m on the job! :D</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 04:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zoe, I would like to talk about the book, but I haven&#039;t read it. In any case, I read this post and am working on something for which your book will come in very handy. I&#039;ll put it on my TBR pile.

With regard to the other e-book formats, &lt;a href=&quot;http://b10mediaworx.com/b10mwx/e-books&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;we do 7 (used to do 8, but no longer fiddling with EPUB)&lt;/a&gt;, for different devices and software. &lt;a href=&quot;mailto:esb10@b10mediaworx.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Give me a shout if you&#039;d like to talk&lt;/a&gt;.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zoe, I would like to talk about the book, but I haven&#8217;t read it. In any case, I read this post and am working on something for which your book will come in very handy. I&#8217;ll put it on my TBR pile.</p>
<p>With regard to the other e-book formats, <a href="http://b10mediaworx.com/b10mwx/e-books" rel="nofollow">we do 7 (used to do 8, but no longer fiddling with EPUB)</a>, for different devices and software. <a href="mailto:esb10@b10mediaworx.com" rel="nofollow">Give me a shout if you&#8217;d like to talk</a>.</p>
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