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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:19:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarification: In saying &quot;once you leave Deseret&quot; what I meant was &quot;once you leave the geographical area that used to be part of the old state of Deseret--i.e., where there&#039;s a large Mormon cultural influence.&quot; Just realized that could be puzzling to some people. I guess &quot;Mormon corridor&quot; is the more common term now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clarification: In saying &#8220;once you leave Deseret&#8221; what I meant was &#8220;once you leave the geographical area that used to be part of the old state of Deseret&#8211;i.e., where there&#8217;s a large Mormon cultural influence.&#8221; Just realized that could be puzzling to some people. I guess &#8220;Mormon corridor&#8221; is the more common term now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/tracking-the-elusive-mormon-author/comment-page-1/#comment-37785</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 18:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to be jumping in so late...

First, a response to Jettboy (1): From a critical perspective, the interesting thing isn&#039;t to find markers that tell an author&#039;s Mormonism, but rather to consider ways that an author&#039;s work *can* be read as Mormon, then to compare it to other writings by Mormon and non-Mormon writers. If the finding is that there are some authors whose Mormonism doesn&#039;t come through in any discernible way, that&#039;s interesting too. 

And back to Kent&#039;s original question:

Ultimately, I think the only way this will work is by having the authors themselves (or people who know them) contact us, &quot;us&quot; being the Mormon literary community broadly speaking. 

This, I submit, will be less difficult than it seems, if we actually can get more awareness that there actually *is* a Mormon literary community. Especially once you leave Deseret, there&#039;s often a hunger to know that there are other members of the Church doing what you&#039;re doing, and an eagerness to be part of a collaborative community. Getting authors and their friends and family members hooked into this is MUCH less difficult than getting potential readers hooked into this network (a challenge Kent has written on very thoughtfully before).

Obviously, this ties into the Mormon literature database discussion we were having earlier. The more that people know about and are interested in that database, the more likely it is that the database can function as a clearinghouse. This, by the way, doesn&#039;t negate the potential value of other bibliographers taking on more specialized tasks in relation to Mormon letters. For example, in addition to Marny Parkin&#039;s Mormon sf&amp;f bibliography, I also know someone who has been compiling a bibliography of Mormon gay-related literature. But what I&#039;d hope is that those efforts would also feed into the Mormon literature database in some way, so that anyone who meets the Mormon literature database criteria in some way will appear in that place. 

Some additional, practical thoughts on this:

* The Mormon literature database&#039;s affiliation with BYU could be a great tool in getting this kind of grass-roots information out there. The Holy Grail for this effort might be an article in BYU Magazine about the effort--possibly a year or two down the road, once whatever collaborative proposal Kent and Gideon and William et al. are hatching up can be announced and used as the basis of a &quot;gee-look-at-this-cool-thing-BYU-is-doing&quot; article. 

* Other possibilities include articles in places like Meridian, etc. Not just on the Mormon literature database, but on Mormon literature in general. Maybe bully Richard Cracroft into doing something on the &quot;must-reads&quot; of Mormon literature? Is there anything about Mormon literature that&#039;s offered as BYU Education Week classes? 

* As long as the Mormon literature database has a BYU institutional sponsorship, it might even be possible to contact stakes and let them know about this. It&#039;s my impression that in many stakes, there&#039;s someone at the stake level with responsibility for cultural &quot;things&quot;--a high council member, say. An email to those people letting them know about the Mormon literature database and encouraging them to let any writers in their stake know about it and make sure they&#039;re listed might yield some results. And since it&#039;s BYU, it might be possible to do it without crossing the whole use-only-for-Church-purposes policy that hampers so many Mormon publicity efforts. 

This is only in the spirit of brainstorming. But I really believe that the only true solution will be a grassroots one where authors come forward, rather than a centralized search effort.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to be jumping in so late&#8230;</p>
<p>First, a response to Jettboy (1): From a critical perspective, the interesting thing isn&#8217;t to find markers that tell an author&#8217;s Mormonism, but rather to consider ways that an author&#8217;s work *can* be read as Mormon, then to compare it to other writings by Mormon and non-Mormon writers. If the finding is that there are some authors whose Mormonism doesn&#8217;t come through in any discernible way, that&#8217;s interesting too. </p>
<p>And back to Kent&#8217;s original question:</p>
<p>Ultimately, I think the only way this will work is by having the authors themselves (or people who know them) contact us, &#8220;us&#8221; being the Mormon literary community broadly speaking. </p>
<p>This, I submit, will be less difficult than it seems, if we actually can get more awareness that there actually *is* a Mormon literary community. Especially once you leave Deseret, there&#8217;s often a hunger to know that there are other members of the Church doing what you&#8217;re doing, and an eagerness to be part of a collaborative community. Getting authors and their friends and family members hooked into this is MUCH less difficult than getting potential readers hooked into this network (a challenge Kent has written on very thoughtfully before).</p>
<p>Obviously, this ties into the Mormon literature database discussion we were having earlier. The more that people know about and are interested in that database, the more likely it is that the database can function as a clearinghouse. This, by the way, doesn&#8217;t negate the potential value of other bibliographers taking on more specialized tasks in relation to Mormon letters. For example, in addition to Marny Parkin&#8217;s Mormon sf&amp;f bibliography, I also know someone who has been compiling a bibliography of Mormon gay-related literature. But what I&#8217;d hope is that those efforts would also feed into the Mormon literature database in some way, so that anyone who meets the Mormon literature database criteria in some way will appear in that place. </p>
<p>Some additional, practical thoughts on this:</p>
<p>* The Mormon literature database&#8217;s affiliation with BYU could be a great tool in getting this kind of grass-roots information out there. The Holy Grail for this effort might be an article in BYU Magazine about the effort&#8211;possibly a year or two down the road, once whatever collaborative proposal Kent and Gideon and William et al. are hatching up can be announced and used as the basis of a &#8220;gee-look-at-this-cool-thing-BYU-is-doing&#8221; article. </p>
<p>* Other possibilities include articles in places like Meridian, etc. Not just on the Mormon literature database, but on Mormon literature in general. Maybe bully Richard Cracroft into doing something on the &#8220;must-reads&#8221; of Mormon literature? Is there anything about Mormon literature that&#8217;s offered as BYU Education Week classes? </p>
<p>* As long as the Mormon literature database has a BYU institutional sponsorship, it might even be possible to contact stakes and let them know about this. It&#8217;s my impression that in many stakes, there&#8217;s someone at the stake level with responsibility for cultural &#8220;things&#8221;&#8211;a high council member, say. An email to those people letting them know about the Mormon literature database and encouraging them to let any writers in their stake know about it and make sure they&#8217;re listed might yield some results. And since it&#8217;s BYU, it might be possible to do it without crossing the whole use-only-for-Church-purposes policy that hampers so many Mormon publicity efforts. </p>
<p>This is only in the spirit of brainstorming. But I really believe that the only true solution will be a grassroots one where authors come forward, rather than a centralized search effort.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 01:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or, we could request that the Church add an &quot;author&quot; field to its database and get clerks to figure it out for each ward and branch. That way, hacking the database would be worth it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or, we could request that the Church add an &#8220;author&#8221; field to its database and get clerks to figure it out for each ward and branch. That way, hacking the database would be worth it!</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Alas, you may be right.

Perhaps we should request an author census between sessions of Conference?</description>
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<p>Alas, you may be right.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should request an author census between sessions of Conference?</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Th (4), LOL, that would be fun to try.

But, alas, I don&#039;t think that will help. As far as I&#039;ve seen, the membership records don&#039;t identify authors as such. 

Of course, we could run the names against the various lists of authors available (like Worldcat, etc.), but I&#039;d guess we would have many times more mismatches among the potential matches we found than accurate matches, making the process a huge amount of work and effort to get a good list.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Th (4), LOL, that would be fun to try.</p>
<p>But, alas, I don&#8217;t think that will help. As far as I&#8217;ve seen, the membership records don&#8217;t identify authors as such. </p>
<p>Of course, we could run the names against the various lists of authors available (like Worldcat, etc.), but I&#8217;d guess we would have many times more mismatches among the potential matches we found than accurate matches, making the process a huge amount of work and effort to get a good list.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/tracking-the-elusive-mormon-author/comment-page-1/#comment-37739</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Let&#039;s form a committee to hack into the Church&#039;s membership records.</description>
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<p>Let&#8217;s form a committee to hack into the Church&#8217;s membership records.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/tracking-the-elusive-mormon-author/comment-page-1/#comment-37738</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jettboy (1): I&#039;m not sure exactly what you are driving at. I&#039;m interested in knowing about Mormon authors even if their work includes NO Mormon cultural baggage. The author&#039;s affiliation with Mormonism is enough.

My point is here that it is very difficult to find out when an author is Mormon, unless the author makes it obvious. I&#039;m looking for strategies to get around that.

I&#039;d rather not get into the question of whether &quot;Mormonism has anything to contribute to the artistic conversation&quot; in this post. I think we&#039;ve tried to explore that question here on AMV and many other places (AML-list, perhaps in Irreantum, and maybe even in Dialogue or elsewhere). Can I just declare it off-topic for this post?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jettboy (1): I&#8217;m not sure exactly what you are driving at. I&#8217;m interested in knowing about Mormon authors even if their work includes NO Mormon cultural baggage. The author&#8217;s affiliation with Mormonism is enough.</p>
<p>My point is here that it is very difficult to find out when an author is Mormon, unless the author makes it obvious. I&#8217;m looking for strategies to get around that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather not get into the question of whether &#8220;Mormonism has anything to contribute to the artistic conversation&#8221; in this post. I think we&#8217;ve tried to explore that question here on AMV and many other places (AML-list, perhaps in Irreantum, and maybe even in Dialogue or elsewhere). Can I just declare it off-topic for this post?</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

I&#039;ve had the experience of reading something and feeling sure the author &lt;i&gt;must&lt;/i&gt; be Mormon but I&#039;ll be darned if I can think of an example now....</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve had the experience of reading something and feeling sure the author <i>must</i> be Mormon but I&#8217;ll be darned if I can think of an example now&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jettboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jettboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 13:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question this brings up, assuming that the author brings with them cultural baggage, is if Mormonism has anything to contribute to the artistic conversation? We all know that Stephanie Meyers is Mormon, but would we know that by just reading her books? Perhaps we cold because she isn&#039;t a very subtle writer. You might for Orson Scott Card because of his themes of family and personal sacrifice. 

You can tell sometimes a Southern writer, a Catholic writer, an atheist writer, American writer, etc. What would be a tell-tale sign of a Mormon writer besides the obvious, and has anyone found one by what they wrote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question this brings up, assuming that the author brings with them cultural baggage, is if Mormonism has anything to contribute to the artistic conversation? We all know that Stephanie Meyers is Mormon, but would we know that by just reading her books? Perhaps we cold because she isn&#8217;t a very subtle writer. You might for Orson Scott Card because of his themes of family and personal sacrifice. </p>
<p>You can tell sometimes a Southern writer, a Catholic writer, an atheist writer, American writer, etc. What would be a tell-tale sign of a Mormon writer besides the obvious, and has anyone found one by what they wrote?</p>
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