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	<title>Comments on: Stucki&#8217;s Hands and the Masculine Identity: a review of Todd Robert Petersen&#8217;s Rift</title>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/theric-reviews-rift-by-trp/comment-page-1/#comment-38491</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 20:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

I&#039;ve had a similar feeling. One could easily interpret &lt;i&gt;Rift&lt;/i&gt; as a comment on generational relationships as well.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ve had a similar feeling. One could easily interpret <i>Rift</i> as a comment on generational relationships as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam K. K. Figueira</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/theric-reviews-rift-by-trp/comment-page-1/#comment-38485</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam K. K. Figueira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear from some colleagues that barber shops are making a comeback, but they&#039;re taking on more of a business oriented angle (targeted at male executives). That has some interesting implications for Mansylvania.

You know, one of the saddest social trends I&#039;ve noticed is the move to calling everyone by their first names, regardless of station. Many of the adults who taught, raised, or otherwise influenced me as a child now expect me to treat them as equals, and I honestly have a hard time doing it. Same with anyone who I was first introduced to as an authority figure (like former bishops and others)regardless of age. I&#039;ve forced myself to call my professors by their first names at their request, but it still feels awkward, and I doubt I could ever do it with my teachers from younger years. Yet I know a lot of kids who even call their parents by their first names. 

It&#039;s interesting how differently I treat the elders who I&#039;ve met as an adult. I feel far more comfortable familiarly addressing a 70 year old man who I met casually when I was 25 than a 45 year old I met as a teenager. Perhaps the lack of respectful titles and modes of address is one reason those gruff old men can seem less valued these days. Some people I know love to listen to their stories and to hear their responses to various things, but it&#039;s mostly to secretly laugh at them for their &quot;irrelevance&quot; rather than to appreciate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear from some colleagues that barber shops are making a comeback, but they&#8217;re taking on more of a business oriented angle (targeted at male executives). That has some interesting implications for Mansylvania.</p>
<p>You know, one of the saddest social trends I&#8217;ve noticed is the move to calling everyone by their first names, regardless of station. Many of the adults who taught, raised, or otherwise influenced me as a child now expect me to treat them as equals, and I honestly have a hard time doing it. Same with anyone who I was first introduced to as an authority figure (like former bishops and others)regardless of age. I&#8217;ve forced myself to call my professors by their first names at their request, but it still feels awkward, and I doubt I could ever do it with my teachers from younger years. Yet I know a lot of kids who even call their parents by their first names. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting how differently I treat the elders who I&#8217;ve met as an adult. I feel far more comfortable familiarly addressing a 70 year old man who I met casually when I was 25 than a 45 year old I met as a teenager. Perhaps the lack of respectful titles and modes of address is one reason those gruff old men can seem less valued these days. Some people I know love to listen to their stories and to hear their responses to various things, but it&#8217;s mostly to secretly laugh at them for their &#8220;irrelevance&#8221; rather than to appreciate them.</p>
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		<title>By: Theric Jepson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theric Jepson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

An expedition!</description>
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<p>An expedition!</p>
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		<title>By: nosurfgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosurfgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t realize national geographic was a fixture in Manslyvannia!

There&#039;s a unisex barber shop in our town.  I wonder if the magazines would combine extremes from both sexes (playboy+cosmo, Woman&#039;s world + fishing and car magazines) or be neutral so as to make everyone comfortable.  

Maybe I should venture in there sometime...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t realize national geographic was a fixture in Manslyvannia!</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a unisex barber shop in our town.  I wonder if the magazines would combine extremes from both sexes (playboy+cosmo, Woman&#8217;s world + fishing and car magazines) or be neutral so as to make everyone comfortable.  </p>
<p>Maybe I should venture in there sometime&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/theric-reviews-rift-by-trp/comment-page-1/#comment-38477</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

I sense, Katya, that you and I come from completely different moral universes.

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Here&#039;s a line I wanted to quote but didn&#039;t fit in:

Later on the hands page quoted above, Stucki tells another feller what he supposes after we die. 

After getting there and welcomed, 

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Then I guess we get to work, least I hope so.... Some people think it&#039;s like going to church, all day long. God help us if it is.&quot;

&quot;I wouldn&#039;t like it unless I was busy, and I don&#039;t like singing,&quot; Karl said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What do you think of that? What does heaven look like to a Man?</description>
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<p>I sense, Katya, that you and I come from completely different moral universes.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a line I wanted to quote but didn&#8217;t fit in:</p>
<p>Later on the hands page quoted above, Stucki tells another feller what he supposes after we die. </p>
<p>After getting there and welcomed, </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Then I guess we get to work, least I hope so&#8230;. Some people think it&#8217;s like going to church, all day long. God help us if it is.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I wouldn&#8217;t like it unless I was busy, and I don&#8217;t like singing,&#8221; Karl said.</p></blockquote>
<p>What do you think of that? What does heaven look like to a Man?</p>
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		<title>By: Moriah Jovan</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/theric-reviews-rift-by-trp/comment-page-1/#comment-38476</link>
		<dc:creator>Moriah Jovan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, snap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, snap.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/theric-reviews-rift-by-trp/comment-page-1/#comment-38475</link>
		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 02:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;4.

Ha! Well, if you can rewrite etymology to suit your own rhetorical purposes, I don&#039;t see that you can complain the next time someone uses a coffee-drinking, temple-attending Mormon as a plot device.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;4.</p>
<p>Ha! Well, if you can rewrite etymology to suit your own rhetorical purposes, I don&#8217;t see that you can complain the next time someone uses a coffee-drinking, temple-attending Mormon as a plot device.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 01:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that you picked up on the masculinity vibe whereas I (in the version I read -- which, admittedly, was not the the final one) picked up more on the small town dynamics and the minor-key humor. And perhaps because of that I didn&#039;t experience the break in credulity that you did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that you picked up on the masculinity vibe whereas I (in the version I read &#8212; which, admittedly, was not the the final one) picked up more on the small town dynamics and the minor-key humor. And perhaps because of that I didn&#8217;t experience the break in credulity that you did.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 00:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

My original phrasing suggested that Petersen used hands as a symbol because man = man, but that was presumptuous of me, so I decided to just rewrite the history of language instead.</description>
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<p>My original phrasing suggested that Petersen used hands as a symbol because man = man, but that was presumptuous of me, so I decided to just rewrite the history of language instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 21:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, but you&#039;ve framed the connection in the form of a rhetorical question
&lt;blockquote&gt;Is it a coincidence that the Latin for hand is man?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
to which the answer is &quot;yes, it is a coincidence.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but you&#8217;ve framed the connection in the form of a rhetorical question</p>
<blockquote><p>Is it a coincidence that the Latin for hand is man?</p></blockquote>
<p>to which the answer is &#8220;yes, it is a coincidence.&#8221;</p>
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