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	<title>Comments on: The Writing Rookie #9: Realms of Probability</title>
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		<title>By: nosurfgirl</title>
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		<dc:creator>nosurfgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 14:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Such an interesting subject, and a source of real headache and heartache for any fiction writer, I think.  

I think the analogy I operate under involves surfing... it&#039;s toughest to get going, and takes some force and effort on your part, but once the plot and characters take over, it&#039;s a matter of allowing the wave to take you, and directing your board through the wave to hit the places that you had planned on.  I guess you could say I let my characters boss me sometimes (whenever I see that the plot could possibly go another way).  It really is a tough balance, as you&#039;ve so aptly described.  And in the end, it takes a few manscripts to really feel comfortable with the feel and force of the current that a plot and characters will bring to your process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Such an interesting subject, and a source of real headache and heartache for any fiction writer, I think.  </p>
<p>I think the analogy I operate under involves surfing&#8230; it&#8217;s toughest to get going, and takes some force and effort on your part, but once the plot and characters take over, it&#8217;s a matter of allowing the wave to take you, and directing your board through the wave to hit the places that you had planned on.  I guess you could say I let my characters boss me sometimes (whenever I see that the plot could possibly go another way).  It really is a tough balance, as you&#8217;ve so aptly described.  And in the end, it takes a few manscripts to really feel comfortable with the feel and force of the current that a plot and characters will bring to your process.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I too have a rather active superego. I suppose that&#039;s why critics rarely make good writers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I too have a rather active superego. I suppose that&#8217;s why critics rarely make good writers.</p>
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		<title>By: Mercedes Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mercedes Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 23:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fascinating indeed. My own writing process conforms with the theory pretty well. And for me, it is supremely difficult to get the superego to shut up. I blame most, if not all, of my writer&#039;s block on this division. It wraps around my mind so tightly I can&#039;t connect with  the emotions necessary to feel what my characters feel, which is the only way I can control them.

Ultimately, I&#039;m appreciative of the superego, no matter how intervening it is. As long as it&#039;s hushed enough to let me authenticate the story, it betters my writing, if only through anxiety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fascinating indeed. My own writing process conforms with the theory pretty well. And for me, it is supremely difficult to get the superego to shut up. I blame most, if not all, of my writer&#8217;s block on this division. It wraps around my mind so tightly I can&#8217;t connect with  the emotions necessary to feel what my characters feel, which is the only way I can control them.</p>
<p>Ultimately, I&#8217;m appreciative of the superego, no matter how intervening it is. As long as it&#8217;s hushed enough to let me authenticate the story, it betters my writing, if only through anxiety.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:11:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee,

I have to admit that my characters don&#039;t actually &quot;speak&quot; to me either. What happens instead is that I&#039;ll write something, then something will nag at the back of my mind saying, &quot;He would never say *that*!&quot; And then I have to poke around until I figure out what&#039;s wrong, and/or generate something that feels like it fits better. 

(But then, I actually do hear voices speaking when I&#039;m writing. I&#039;m an auditory reader, and an auditory writer as well, apparently. When I write and type words, I hear them being voiced in my head. So I guess in that sense I *do* hear my characters speaking to me.)

I agree that in the end, many of these apparent differences lie probably in how we (and/or our Fred) choose to view the writing process - the masks and models we utilize in order to make it work for us. User interface, in other words. The cake is a lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee,</p>
<p>I have to admit that my characters don&#8217;t actually &#8220;speak&#8221; to me either. What happens instead is that I&#8217;ll write something, then something will nag at the back of my mind saying, &#8220;He would never say *that*!&#8221; And then I have to poke around until I figure out what&#8217;s wrong, and/or generate something that feels like it fits better. </p>
<p>(But then, I actually do hear voices speaking when I&#8217;m writing. I&#8217;m an auditory reader, and an auditory writer as well, apparently. When I write and type words, I hear them being voiced in my head. So I guess in that sense I *do* hear my characters speaking to me.)</p>
<p>I agree that in the end, many of these apparent differences lie probably in how we (and/or our Fred) choose to view the writing process &#8211; the masks and models we utilize in order to make it work for us. User interface, in other words. The cake is a lie.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Allred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Allred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Intriguing essay, Jonathan, especially your id-ego-superego division of labor. I&#039;m always fascinated by other writer&#039;s theories on the process of writing.

Science fiction grand master Fred Pohl had a very detailed theory on the subconscious&#039; role in writing on wrote a very good how to write book on it. At least one sf writer I know who more or less subscribes to his theory has named her subconscious &quot;Fred&quot; in tribute and can go on at length about the tussles she has with her &quot;Fred&quot; while writing. I&#039;m always at a lost at how to react to these conversations as my reality doesn&#039;t act the way hers seeems to.

Nor do my characters ever talk to me -- any more than my toaster does. &quot;Oh my, Lee! You&#039;re putting in the slice of bread the wrong way again. Turn it 90 degress or it won&#039;t fit in the slot.&quot; My subconscious doesn&#039;t anthropomorphise my mistakes with household appliances; I just can&#039;t see it suddenly doing so over fictional characters. They&#039;re just characters for Pete&#039;s sake. 

I guess I&#039;m more along the lines of of that &quot;fullblown from Zeus&#039; brow&quot; type of writer. My subconscious&#039; tuckered out after doing the conceptional plotting. All that writing and plot mechanic stuff is the conscious mind&#039;s job, thank you very much. My subconscious is going back to bed. (There&#039;s a reason it&#039;s called subconscious!)

-- Lee Allred</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Intriguing essay, Jonathan, especially your id-ego-superego division of labor. I&#8217;m always fascinated by other writer&#8217;s theories on the process of writing.</p>
<p>Science fiction grand master Fred Pohl had a very detailed theory on the subconscious&#8217; role in writing on wrote a very good how to write book on it. At least one sf writer I know who more or less subscribes to his theory has named her subconscious &#8220;Fred&#8221; in tribute and can go on at length about the tussles she has with her &#8220;Fred&#8221; while writing. I&#8217;m always at a lost at how to react to these conversations as my reality doesn&#8217;t act the way hers seeems to.</p>
<p>Nor do my characters ever talk to me &#8212; any more than my toaster does. &#8220;Oh my, Lee! You&#8217;re putting in the slice of bread the wrong way again. Turn it 90 degress or it won&#8217;t fit in the slot.&#8221; My subconscious doesn&#8217;t anthropomorphise my mistakes with household appliances; I just can&#8217;t see it suddenly doing so over fictional characters. They&#8217;re just characters for Pete&#8217;s sake. </p>
<p>I guess I&#8217;m more along the lines of of that &#8220;fullblown from Zeus&#8217; brow&#8221; type of writer. My subconscious&#8217; tuckered out after doing the conceptional plotting. All that writing and plot mechanic stuff is the conscious mind&#8217;s job, thank you very much. My subconscious is going back to bed. (There&#8217;s a reason it&#8217;s called subconscious!)</p>
<p>&#8211; Lee Allred</p>
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		<title>By: Luisa Perkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luisa Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a keen bunch o&#039; compost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a keen bunch o&#8217; compost.</p>
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		<title>By: William Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:28:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like this conceptualization of how writing works because it doesn&#039;t over-mystify and yet it allows for id-ness. 

I haven&#039;t attempted anything as complex as a novel yet, but I have returned to stories after 2-3 years away and been surprised to discover that it wasn&#039;t at all what I had thought I had done and that apparently there was a newer version of the story in my head even though I hadn&#039;t been actively working on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like this conceptualization of how writing works because it doesn&#8217;t over-mystify and yet it allows for id-ness. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t attempted anything as complex as a novel yet, but I have returned to stories after 2-3 years away and been surprised to discover that it wasn&#8217;t at all what I had thought I had done and that apparently there was a newer version of the story in my head even though I hadn&#8217;t been actively working on it.</p>
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