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	<title>Comments on: Short Story Friday: And by N. E. Houston</title>
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		<title>By: harlow</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/short-story-friday-and-by-n-e-houston/comment-page-1/#comment-37137</link>
		<dc:creator>harlow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this story, William. I haven&#039;t read it for several years, since the last revision. (For space considerations Dialogue asked for substantial cuts and the author has reworked the story a couple of times since it was published.) I was a bit surprised at how personal the story is. I&#039;ve been thinking about this story a lot during the discussion here and on AML-List of Jerry Johnston&#039;s article about the great Mormon novel.

Most of the comments ignored the last half of the last sentence:

&quot;The Great Mormon Novel is a dream held by literary types in the church.

&quot;It is also the Great White Whale pursued by devout Mormons who can&#039;t understand -- in this day and age -- just how uncomfortable, exposed and betrayed an authentic literary masterpiece would make them feel.&quot;

Johnston&#039;s comment is about as terse a restatement as I know of the reasons Lionel Trilling hesitated to accede to his students&#039; request to teach a class in Modern Lit (see &quot;On the Teaching of Modern Literature,&quot; in _Beyond Culture_). Modern literature is very personal, demands a very personal response, Trilling says. And I was still surprised at how personal the story is.

And while I won&#039;t say the story is &quot;an authentic literary masterpiece&quot; (despite being part of a master&#039;s thesis), the story did make at least one reader uncomfortable, perhaps feeling somewhat &quot;exposed and betrayed.&quot; The author intended &quot;And&quot; as a love letter to his wife. He was trying to catch a particularly difficult moment, reassuring her that things would get better, but I don&#039;t think she saw it that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this story, William. I haven&#8217;t read it for several years, since the last revision. (For space considerations Dialogue asked for substantial cuts and the author has reworked the story a couple of times since it was published.) I was a bit surprised at how personal the story is. I&#8217;ve been thinking about this story a lot during the discussion here and on AML-List of Jerry Johnston&#8217;s article about the great Mormon novel.</p>
<p>Most of the comments ignored the last half of the last sentence:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Great Mormon Novel is a dream held by literary types in the church.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is also the Great White Whale pursued by devout Mormons who can&#8217;t understand &#8212; in this day and age &#8212; just how uncomfortable, exposed and betrayed an authentic literary masterpiece would make them feel.&#8221;</p>
<p>Johnston&#8217;s comment is about as terse a restatement as I know of the reasons Lionel Trilling hesitated to accede to his students&#8217; request to teach a class in Modern Lit (see &#8220;On the Teaching of Modern Literature,&#8221; in _Beyond Culture_). Modern literature is very personal, demands a very personal response, Trilling says. And I was still surprised at how personal the story is.</p>
<p>And while I won&#8217;t say the story is &#8220;an authentic literary masterpiece&#8221; (despite being part of a master&#8217;s thesis), the story did make at least one reader uncomfortable, perhaps feeling somewhat &#8220;exposed and betrayed.&#8221; The author intended &#8220;And&#8221; as a love letter to his wife. He was trying to catch a particularly difficult moment, reassuring her that things would get better, but I don&#8217;t think she saw it that way.</p>
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		<title>By: William Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/short-story-friday-and-by-n-e-houston/comment-page-1/#comment-37070</link>
		<dc:creator>William Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 01:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed just a holdover. Some bloggers have set up systems to make the two work together in a way that makes sense. AMV has issues because we used categories for so long before tags were supported that our categories are rather messy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed just a holdover. Some bloggers have set up systems to make the two work together in a way that makes sense. AMV has issues because we used categories for so long before tags were supported that our categories are rather messy.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/short-story-friday-and-by-n-e-houston/comment-page-1/#comment-37068</link>
		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Hmm, I think it’s just a holdover from earlier versions when there were only categories. Then “cloud” computing came into vogue and they added tags.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
That makes sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Hmm, I think it’s just a holdover from earlier versions when there were only categories. Then “cloud” computing came into vogue and they added tags.</p></blockquote>
<p>That makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see what you&#039;re saying re no parent/child relationship between categories/tags.

&lt;blockquote&gt;WP’s idiosyncratic combination of the two systems still strikes me as odd.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Hmm, I think it&#039;s just a holdover from earlier versions when there were only categories. Then &quot;cloud&quot; computing came into vogue and they added tags.

However, you don&#039;t HAVE to use tags at all, and for all practical purposes, you don&#039;t HAVE to use categories, either. All posts are automatically slotted into &quot;uncategorized&quot; category but are not given a default tag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see what you&#8217;re saying re no parent/child relationship between categories/tags.</p>
<blockquote><p>WP’s idiosyncratic combination of the two systems still strikes me as odd.</p></blockquote>
<p>Hmm, I think it&#8217;s just a holdover from earlier versions when there were only categories. Then &#8220;cloud&#8221; computing came into vogue and they added tags.</p>
<p>However, you don&#8217;t HAVE to use tags at all, and for all practical purposes, you don&#8217;t HAVE to use categories, either. All posts are automatically slotted into &#8220;uncategorized&#8221; category but are not given a default tag.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:32:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, but &quot;Eddie Albert Lane&quot; and &quot;Green Acres&quot; have a child / parent relationship (which you can&#039;t express if either one is a tag) and wouldn&#039;t you want to standardize the form of &quot;Eva Gardner Circle&quot; (which, again, it sounds like you can&#039;t have with tags).

I understand that you&#039;re using them for general terms and more specific terms, and I can see why that would have advantages, but WP&#039;s idiosyncratic combination of the two systems still strikes me as odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, but &#8220;Eddie Albert Lane&#8221; and &#8220;Green Acres&#8221; have a child / parent relationship (which you can&#8217;t express if either one is a tag) and wouldn&#8217;t you want to standardize the form of &#8220;Eva Gardner Circle&#8221; (which, again, it sounds like you can&#8217;t have with tags).</p>
<p>I understand that you&#8217;re using them for general terms and more specific terms, and I can see why that would have advantages, but WP&#8217;s idiosyncratic combination of the two systems still strikes me as odd.</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 15:31:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think of it like this:

Categories = subdivision name, like &quot;Green Acres.&quot;

Tags = street names within the subdivision, e.g., &quot;Eddie Albert Lane&quot; and &quot;Eva Gabor Circle.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think of it like this:</p>
<p>Categories = subdivision name, like &#8220;Green Acres.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tags = street names within the subdivision, e.g., &#8220;Eddie Albert Lane&#8221; and &#8220;Eva Gabor Circle.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 14:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. It sounds like categories are more of a controlled vocabulary / thesaurus, while tags are uncontrolled indexing terms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. It sounds like categories are more of a controlled vocabulary / thesaurus, while tags are uncontrolled indexing terms.</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/short-story-friday-and-by-n-e-houston/comment-page-1/#comment-37062</link>
		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;And do you come up with the categories yourself or are they somehow predefined by WordPress?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You come up with them yourself. For instance, I have categories and tags, but my categories are tightly contained. 

At first, I only used the four main points of my blog (&quot;religion,&quot; &quot;money,&quot; &quot;politics,&quot; &quot;sex&quot;) as my categories, but then I realized I talk about more than that, so now it&#039;s those four plus &quot;books,&quot; &quot;Kansas City,&quot; and &quot;miscellaneous.&quot;

I use tags to subdivide the above seven categories to within a millimeter of their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>And do you come up with the categories yourself or are they somehow predefined by WordPress?</p></blockquote>
<p>You come up with them yourself. For instance, I have categories and tags, but my categories are tightly contained. </p>
<p>At first, I only used the four main points of my blog (&#8221;religion,&#8221; &#8220;money,&#8221; &#8220;politics,&#8221; &#8220;sex&#8221;) as my categories, but then I realized I talk about more than that, so now it&#8217;s those four plus &#8220;books,&#8221; &#8220;Kansas City,&#8221; and &#8220;miscellaneous.&#8221;</p>
<p>I use tags to subdivide the above seven categories to within a millimeter of their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Katya</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/short-story-friday-and-by-n-e-houston/comment-page-1/#comment-37061</link>
		<dc:creator>Katya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How is semantic content not categorical? (I.e., what else would you use to categorize something?)

And do you come up with the categories yourself or are they somehow predefined by WordPress?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How is semantic content not categorical? (I.e., what else would you use to categorize something?)</p>
<p>And do you come up with the categories yourself or are they somehow predefined by WordPress?</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/short-story-friday-and-by-n-e-houston/comment-page-1/#comment-37056</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jul 2009 01:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to WordPress &lt;a href=&quot;http://support.wordpress.com/posts/categories-vs-tags/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;there isn&#039;t much of a difference&lt;/a&gt;. AMV uses both because when we first started tags weren&#039;t available. 

There are actually two key differences:

1. Categories can have parent and child relationships (e.g. can be expressed hierarchically) and are are selected via checkbox.

2. Tags can be entered just by typing terms and separating by commas.

Becaise of these two differences, tags are generally used to express the specific semantic or keyword data of a post whereas categories are more, well, categorical. In addition, most blog platforms (or content management systems) display tags and categories differently (for example, you may have seen Tag clouds on some websites). 

I hate using both, but because we started off with categories I don&#039;t want to discontinue support for them. However, I like using tags because they are especially handy for linking themed posts like Short Story Friday.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to WordPress <a href="http://support.wordpress.com/posts/categories-vs-tags/" rel="nofollow">there isn&#8217;t much of a difference</a>. AMV uses both because when we first started tags weren&#8217;t available. </p>
<p>There are actually two key differences:</p>
<p>1. Categories can have parent and child relationships (e.g. can be expressed hierarchically) and are are selected via checkbox.</p>
<p>2. Tags can be entered just by typing terms and separating by commas.</p>
<p>Becaise of these two differences, tags are generally used to express the specific semantic or keyword data of a post whereas categories are more, well, categorical. In addition, most blog platforms (or content management systems) display tags and categories differently (for example, you may have seen Tag clouds on some websites). </p>
<p>I hate using both, but because we started off with categories I don&#8217;t want to discontinue support for them. However, I like using tags because they are especially handy for linking themed posts like Short Story Friday.</p>
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