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		<title>By: stephan</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-39683</link>
		<dc:creator>stephan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just looked at LDSReview.net and guess what guys. LDSReviews will not close up. Someone seems to have taken over the website. Is this cool or what?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just looked at LDSReview.net and guess what guys. LDSReviews will not close up. Someone seems to have taken over the website. Is this cool or what?</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35740</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 02:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen Carter (37) wrote:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I think I’m starting to get an inkling of what you’re saying, Kent. I can feel my brain doing the same things it did when I was in college reading Daniel Quinn’s Ishmael. I can tell something foundationally different from how I currently think is going on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I like that you are thinking about things and coming up with ideas -- creative ideas too.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ve a had a few ideas on expanding the Mormon literary market. Tell me if they’re going in your direction. One was to have a “book of the year” type program at Sunstone where we either pick an excellent book from a Mormon author published in the past few years, or find, edit, and publish one ourselves, and distribute it to our subscribers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think the idea of a &quot;Book of the Year&quot; is good.

But I&#039;m not sure about the part where Sunstone starts publishing books. The editorial part is similar, I admit. But I think you will find that the distribution and marketing is very different than anything you do now.

If nothing else, you do need to carefully consider how much you want your editors distracted from turning out issues of the magazine (unless they have a lot of slack time or something).

I know that some magazines do publish books also -- but usually its compilations or extensions of material in the magazine.

&lt;blockquote&gt;It would make those books into instant bestsellers (in the world of small presses, anyway), and give Mormon novelists another platform.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Perhaps I don&#039;t understand how you think the distribution would work. Why would these books be &quot;instant bestsellers&quot;?

The Washington Times article today said Sunstone&#039;s circulation is 2,500. Even if every subscriber purchased a copy of the book you are talking about, that wouldn&#039;t make a bestseller in the LDS market.

And, if you&#039;re giving the books away to every subscriber, I don&#039;t think that qualifies as a bestseller.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps the AML would be willing to publish it, and Sunstone distribute it or something like that. But it would be under a very exclusive imprint that says, “This baby is as close to perfection as we could possibly get.” Most likely, we’d want to aim such books at a market outside the current Mormon scene.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I think several publishers would be very interested in a &quot;Book of the Year&quot; project (although I&#039;m sure you know that some would object to Sunstone&#039;s participation), but a lot would depend on who does what and what the expectations are of each party. Sunstone does have the ability to reach a lot of people, and with the right partner, it could be a very good project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen Carter (37) wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think I’m starting to get an inkling of what you’re saying, Kent. I can feel my brain doing the same things it did when I was in college reading Daniel Quinn’s Ishmael. I can tell something foundationally different from how I currently think is going on.</p></blockquote>
<p>I like that you are thinking about things and coming up with ideas &#8212; creative ideas too.</p>
<blockquote><p>I’ve a had a few ideas on expanding the Mormon literary market. Tell me if they’re going in your direction. One was to have a “book of the year” type program at Sunstone where we either pick an excellent book from a Mormon author published in the past few years, or find, edit, and publish one ourselves, and distribute it to our subscribers.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think the idea of a &#8220;Book of the Year&#8221; is good.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure about the part where Sunstone starts publishing books. The editorial part is similar, I admit. But I think you will find that the distribution and marketing is very different than anything you do now.</p>
<p>If nothing else, you do need to carefully consider how much you want your editors distracted from turning out issues of the magazine (unless they have a lot of slack time or something).</p>
<p>I know that some magazines do publish books also &#8212; but usually its compilations or extensions of material in the magazine.</p>
<blockquote><p>It would make those books into instant bestsellers (in the world of small presses, anyway), and give Mormon novelists another platform.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps I don&#8217;t understand how you think the distribution would work. Why would these books be &#8220;instant bestsellers&#8221;?</p>
<p>The Washington Times article today said Sunstone&#8217;s circulation is 2,500. Even if every subscriber purchased a copy of the book you are talking about, that wouldn&#8217;t make a bestseller in the LDS market.</p>
<p>And, if you&#8217;re giving the books away to every subscriber, I don&#8217;t think that qualifies as a bestseller.</p>
<blockquote><p>Perhaps the AML would be willing to publish it, and Sunstone distribute it or something like that. But it would be under a very exclusive imprint that says, “This baby is as close to perfection as we could possibly get.” Most likely, we’d want to aim such books at a market outside the current Mormon scene.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think several publishers would be very interested in a &#8220;Book of the Year&#8221; project (although I&#8217;m sure you know that some would object to Sunstone&#8217;s participation), but a lot would depend on who does what and what the expectations are of each party. Sunstone does have the ability to reach a lot of people, and with the right partner, it could be a very good project.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35727</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although honestly, the best thing that I think the market could do is up the number of short stories we edit and publish per year by 10 -- with one or two of those being novellas. 

I know everybody writes a novel at 23 these days, but I think the more short stories and novellas we can push through the dance between hungry, talented writer and good, hard but fair editor the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although honestly, the best thing that I think the market could do is up the number of short stories we edit and publish per year by 10 &#8212; with one or two of those being novellas. </p>
<p>I know everybody writes a novel at 23 these days, but I think the more short stories and novellas we can push through the dance between hungry, talented writer and good, hard but fair editor the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35726</link>
		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:53:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One place to look would be the Marilyn Brown Unpublished Novel award. Those novels have generally been published, but not consistently by the same publisher and not always with the amount of editing that they could probably use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One place to look would be the Marilyn Brown Unpublished Novel award. Those novels have generally been published, but not consistently by the same publisher and not always with the amount of editing that they could probably use.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Carter</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35725</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I&#039;m starting to get an inkling of what you&#039;re saying, Kent. I can feel my brain doing the same things it did when I was in college reading Daniel Quinn&#039;s Ishmael. I can tell something foundationally different from how I currently think is going on.

I&#039;ve a had a few ideas on expanding the Mormon literary market. Tell me if they&#039;re going in your direction. One was to have a &quot;book of the year&quot; type program at Sunstone where we either pick an excellent book from a Mormon author published in the past few years, or find, edit, and publish one ourselves, and distribute it to our subscribers. It would make those books into instant bestsellers (in the world of small presses, anyway), and give Mormon novelists another platform. 

A few months ago I was talking with Boyd Peterson about the state of the Mormon novel, and we both agreed that they always need more editing. That no one seems to be willing to put the work into a novel that it needs to actually be good. 

So I started thinking (though I think William has already proposed something like this) that we could start an editing collective that would focus on finding a book and writer with heaps of potential and tease it out. 

Perhaps the AML would be willing to publish it, and Sunstone distribute it or something like that. But it would be under a very exclusive imprint that says, &quot;This baby is as close to perfection as we could possibly get.&quot; Most likely, we&#039;d want to aim such books at a market outside the current Mormon scene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I&#8217;m starting to get an inkling of what you&#8217;re saying, Kent. I can feel my brain doing the same things it did when I was in college reading Daniel Quinn&#8217;s Ishmael. I can tell something foundationally different from how I currently think is going on.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve a had a few ideas on expanding the Mormon literary market. Tell me if they&#8217;re going in your direction. One was to have a &#8220;book of the year&#8221; type program at Sunstone where we either pick an excellent book from a Mormon author published in the past few years, or find, edit, and publish one ourselves, and distribute it to our subscribers. It would make those books into instant bestsellers (in the world of small presses, anyway), and give Mormon novelists another platform. </p>
<p>A few months ago I was talking with Boyd Peterson about the state of the Mormon novel, and we both agreed that they always need more editing. That no one seems to be willing to put the work into a novel that it needs to actually be good. </p>
<p>So I started thinking (though I think William has already proposed something like this) that we could start an editing collective that would focus on finding a book and writer with heaps of potential and tease it out. </p>
<p>Perhaps the AML would be willing to publish it, and Sunstone distribute it or something like that. But it would be under a very exclusive imprint that says, &#8220;This baby is as close to perfection as we could possibly get.&#8221; Most likely, we&#8217;d want to aim such books at a market outside the current Mormon scene.</p>
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		<title>By: David West</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35660</link>
		<dc:creator>David West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t take it too personaly. Baal&#039;s Devils is how my Nephites swear.

My Portugese is worse than my Spanish, I am just all for spreading the literary word beyond our borders and was relating my thoughts based off of previous posts and thoughts on your company. Granted I know nothing of what Luso-Brazilain Books does just yet but I like the idea as far as your Bio goes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t take it too personaly. Baal&#8217;s Devils is how my Nephites swear.</p>
<p>My Portugese is worse than my Spanish, I am just all for spreading the literary word beyond our borders and was relating my thoughts based off of previous posts and thoughts on your company. Granted I know nothing of what Luso-Brazilain Books does just yet but I like the idea as far as your Bio goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Kent Larsen</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35655</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent Larsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, my apologies. I don&#039;t know the original source of your comment, and I certainly didn&#039;t intend for this to be a criticism of you personally, but rather a criticism of a certain mindset in the LDS market -- one that you clearly don&#039;t subscribe to.

Please don&#039;t take it personally.

BTW, did you mention Brazil in particular for a reason? Do you, perchance, speak &quot;A língua de Deus?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, my apologies. I don&#8217;t know the original source of your comment, and I certainly didn&#8217;t intend for this to be a criticism of you personally, but rather a criticism of a certain mindset in the LDS market &#8212; one that you clearly don&#8217;t subscribe to.</p>
<p>Please don&#8217;t take it personally.</p>
<p>BTW, did you mention Brazil in particular for a reason? Do you, perchance, speak &#8220;A língua de Deus?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: David West</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35651</link>
		<dc:creator>David West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>--We are the LDS market and not the world.

--This is one of the biggest problems with the mentality in the LDS market — this mentality of “poor us, we’re just a small little market.”

Baal&#039;s Devils! In no way was I ever trying to make that statement of poor us. I disdain the victim mentality of it. On the contrary Kent once I feel I have a leg to stand on (as in any amount of creative control over a non-self published work) I want to be able to work with someone like you to get my Spec-Lit-Eso-Hist-Adv-Fiction out to the many worldwide non-english reading Saints. Who knows perhaps Brazil would like it better than Covenant.

Granted there are plenty of things I don&#039;t know of the ins and outs. So Im trying to comment on 29.

My original statement was more about how (back in the Wor&#039;ld) a controversial book would only sell more copies, whereas here, they apparently sell less. (unless said revenant is approved by deseret book)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8211;We are the LDS market and not the world.</p>
<p>&#8211;This is one of the biggest problems with the mentality in the LDS market — this mentality of “poor us, we’re just a small little market.”</p>
<p>Baal&#8217;s Devils! In no way was I ever trying to make that statement of poor us. I disdain the victim mentality of it. On the contrary Kent once I feel I have a leg to stand on (as in any amount of creative control over a non-self published work) I want to be able to work with someone like you to get my Spec-Lit-Eso-Hist-Adv-Fiction out to the many worldwide non-english reading Saints. Who knows perhaps Brazil would like it better than Covenant.</p>
<p>Granted there are plenty of things I don&#8217;t know of the ins and outs. So Im trying to comment on 29.</p>
<p>My original statement was more about how (back in the Wor&#8217;ld) a controversial book would only sell more copies, whereas here, they apparently sell less. (unless said revenant is approved by deseret book)</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35643</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Hey! Sounds like another AMV project all ripe and ready! (Not that I&#039;m volunteering. Oh no. I&#039;m part of the problem here.)</description>
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<p>Hey! Sounds like another AMV project all ripe and ready! (Not that I&#8217;m volunteering. Oh no. I&#8217;m part of the problem here.)</p>
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		<title>By: Eugene</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/losing-reviews-the-demise-of-ldsreviewnet/comment-page-1/#comment-35642</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a good example of an &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mangablog.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;aggregator blog&lt;/a&gt;. All you need is a blog like this one (meaning AMV) to say, &quot;Send me links (preferably already embedded)&quot; and then once a week or so post them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a good example of an <a href="http://www.mangablog.net/" rel="nofollow">aggregator blog</a>. All you need is a blog like this one (meaning AMV) to say, &#8220;Send me links (preferably already embedded)&#8221; and then once a week or so post them.</p>
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