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	<title>Comments on: The essential Mormon short story collections</title>
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		<title>By: Harlow Clark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harlow Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:57:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>William wrote: &quot;I definitely see a major need for a place for a collection of stories that better represent the experience of Mormon women.&quot;

Try Windows on the Sea, by Linda Sillitoe, and Back Before the World Turned Nasty by Pauline Mortensen, both from Signature, which also reissued Virginia Sorensen&#039;s Where Nothing is Long Ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>William wrote: &#8220;I definitely see a major need for a place for a collection of stories that better represent the experience of Mormon women.&#8221;</p>
<p>Try Windows on the Sea, by Linda Sillitoe, and Back Before the World Turned Nasty by Pauline Mortensen, both from Signature, which also reissued Virginia Sorensen&#8217;s Where Nothing is Long Ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/essential-mormon-short-story-collections/comment-page-1/#comment-34964</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

I concur.</description>
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<p>I concur.</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool anecdote. The consensus seems to be that Bright Angels is the best Mormon short story anthology. I agree. But I&#039;d trade it for the four I listed.

It&#039;ll be interesting to see how the one Angela is working on will compare to the spate of anthologies from the &#039;90s. And it&#039;d be awesome if we could have a Mormon-themed short story anthology every five years (at the very least).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool anecdote. The consensus seems to be that Bright Angels is the best Mormon short story anthology. I agree. But I&#8217;d trade it for the four I listed.</p>
<p>It&#8217;ll be interesting to see how the one Angela is working on will compare to the spate of anthologies from the &#8217;90s. And it&#8217;d be awesome if we could have a Mormon-themed short story anthology every five years (at the very least).</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay. Unreliable anecdote based on flawed personal memory here...

I&#039;m pretty sure that I&#039;m the one responsible for Shayne Bell being in Bright Angels and Familiars. And I may be the one responsible for the specific Card short story that&#039;s in the anthology (&quot;The Fringe&quot;).

I don&#039;t remember the accompanying circumstances very well. My best reconstruction is that it was some kind of casual conversation with Eugene England (possibly a chance meeting in the BYU Bookstore on a trip back to Utah from graduate school in California?) where he told me about the anthology of Mormon short stories that he was editing. I believe that I asked him if he was including any sf&amp;f stories (making some of the same points as Lee Allred about this being an important area where there actually *is* a vibrant short story market, and one where Mormons have been successful). He said no and asked me for recommendations, and I mentioned Shayne&#039;s work, which I&#039;m pretty sure he didn&#039;t know about. He asked me to get some samples, and so I went to the BYU library, found a couple of Shayne&#039;s recent publications in some of the sf&amp;f magazines, and photocopied them for him. 

One of them was &quot;Dry Niger&quot; (the story that wound up being included). I remember this because I had thought I was just giving a sample of Shayne&#039;s work, not making specific recommendations for a story to include in the anthology, and so was surprised when Eugene told me he was including that one. (I&#039;d expected that he&#039;d want something with a more specifically Mormon twist.)

This must have been about the time he was finalizing the anthology lineup, because I remember that I had to get stuff to him right away if it was going to be considered for inclusion in the anthology. 

I&#039;m pretty sure that I also suggested Scott Card in this same conversation, though it may be that Eugene was already planning to include a short story by him. I do have a vague memory of possibly telling Eugene about Scott Card&#039;s _Folk of the Fringe_ stories as being a set of stories that included a more explicitly Mormon link than his previous short stories, and Eugene not knowing about that previously. But I may be misremembering this part of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay. Unreliable anecdote based on flawed personal memory here&#8230;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that I&#8217;m the one responsible for Shayne Bell being in Bright Angels and Familiars. And I may be the one responsible for the specific Card short story that&#8217;s in the anthology (&#8221;The Fringe&#8221;).</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t remember the accompanying circumstances very well. My best reconstruction is that it was some kind of casual conversation with Eugene England (possibly a chance meeting in the BYU Bookstore on a trip back to Utah from graduate school in California?) where he told me about the anthology of Mormon short stories that he was editing. I believe that I asked him if he was including any sf&amp;f stories (making some of the same points as Lee Allred about this being an important area where there actually *is* a vibrant short story market, and one where Mormons have been successful). He said no and asked me for recommendations, and I mentioned Shayne&#8217;s work, which I&#8217;m pretty sure he didn&#8217;t know about. He asked me to get some samples, and so I went to the BYU library, found a couple of Shayne&#8217;s recent publications in some of the sf&amp;f magazines, and photocopied them for him. </p>
<p>One of them was &#8220;Dry Niger&#8221; (the story that wound up being included). I remember this because I had thought I was just giving a sample of Shayne&#8217;s work, not making specific recommendations for a story to include in the anthology, and so was surprised when Eugene told me he was including that one. (I&#8217;d expected that he&#8217;d want something with a more specifically Mormon twist.)</p>
<p>This must have been about the time he was finalizing the anthology lineup, because I remember that I had to get stuff to him right away if it was going to be considered for inclusion in the anthology. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure that I also suggested Scott Card in this same conversation, though it may be that Eugene was already planning to include a short story by him. I do have a vague memory of possibly telling Eugene about Scott Card&#8217;s _Folk of the Fringe_ stories as being a set of stories that included a more explicitly Mormon link than his previous short stories, and Eugene not knowing about that previously. But I may be misremembering this part of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Allred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lee Allred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I&#039;m biased -- Bright Angels and Familiars had a powerfully strong influence on me at the start of my writing career -- but even so I would argue that Bright Angels should be part of an &quot;Essentials&quot; canon for being the first serious Mormon anthology to look past the BYU academia/Lost Generation axis and include genre fiction (Shayne Bell&#039;s and Scott Card&#039;s sf contributions).

To take Angela&#039;s above observation further, the short story form may _be_ the natural Mormon letters genre. The SF field is one of the very few that still has a viable short story market, so it&#039;s not too surprising that excellent work has been done there by Mormon writers. I&#039;d rank Shayne Bell at the top (Card&#039;s more a novelist), but Dave Wolverton, Virginia Baker, and Susan Kroupa are all very skilled in the short form.

Acknowledgement of this development in Mormon Letters is, I think, &quot;essential.&quot;

With all due respect to William&#039;s list (I love Doug Thayer&#039;s work, btw, and can easily see why William chose the others on his list), none of those titles look too far afield past the halls of the Jesse Knight Annex. :)

-- Lee</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I&#8217;m biased &#8212; Bright Angels and Familiars had a powerfully strong influence on me at the start of my writing career &#8212; but even so I would argue that Bright Angels should be part of an &#8220;Essentials&#8221; canon for being the first serious Mormon anthology to look past the BYU academia/Lost Generation axis and include genre fiction (Shayne Bell&#8217;s and Scott Card&#8217;s sf contributions).</p>
<p>To take Angela&#8217;s above observation further, the short story form may _be_ the natural Mormon letters genre. The SF field is one of the very few that still has a viable short story market, so it&#8217;s not too surprising that excellent work has been done there by Mormon writers. I&#8217;d rank Shayne Bell at the top (Card&#8217;s more a novelist), but Dave Wolverton, Virginia Baker, and Susan Kroupa are all very skilled in the short form.</p>
<p>Acknowledgement of this development in Mormon Letters is, I think, &#8220;essential.&#8221;</p>
<p>With all due respect to William&#8217;s list (I love Doug Thayer&#8217;s work, btw, and can easily see why William chose the others on his list), none of those titles look too far afield past the halls of the Jesse Knight Annex. :)</p>
<p>&#8211; Lee</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 16:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I agree that Bright Angels is very important. But I could live without it. 

I&#039;m very excited about the Zarahemla anthology, and I also agree that the short story form is a more mature genre in Mormon letters. It kind of has to be because there are so few literary novels that get published.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I agree that Bright Angels is very important. But I could live without it. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very excited about the Zarahemla anthology, and I also agree that the short story form is a more mature genre in Mormon letters. It kind of has to be because there are so few literary novels that get published.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 15:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been up to my elbows in Mormon short stories lately because I&#039;m working on an anthology for Zarahemla focusing on stories published in magazines or collections since 2000.  It should come out this year.  I&#039;ve finally culled my list to 25 stories--25 excellent stories--and I think the anthology will be an important addition to Mormon letters.  I often wonder if the short story form is a more mature genre in Mormon letters than the novel, and after all my reading I&#039;m inclined to say yes.  

And I disagree, too, with your estimation of Bright Angels.  A very important anthology.  And I just recently discovered and read Mary Clyde&#039;s _Survival Rates_ and it&#039;s excellent, as is Darrell Spencer&#039;s _Caution: Men in Trees_.  _The House of James_ by Lewis Horne is great, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been up to my elbows in Mormon short stories lately because I&#8217;m working on an anthology for Zarahemla focusing on stories published in magazines or collections since 2000.  It should come out this year.  I&#8217;ve finally culled my list to 25 stories&#8211;25 excellent stories&#8211;and I think the anthology will be an important addition to Mormon letters.  I often wonder if the short story form is a more mature genre in Mormon letters than the novel, and after all my reading I&#8217;m inclined to say yes.  </p>
<p>And I disagree, too, with your estimation of Bright Angels.  A very important anthology.  And I just recently discovered and read Mary Clyde&#8217;s _Survival Rates_ and it&#8217;s excellent, as is Darrell Spencer&#8217;s _Caution: Men in Trees_.  _The House of James_ by Lewis Horne is great, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Marny Parkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marny Parkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 18:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;a href=&quot;http://mormonlit.lib.byu.edu/index.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mormon Literature database&lt;/a&gt; does have links to the AML review database. It also has links to online text of stories from the &lt;i&gt;New Era&lt;/i&gt; but not other sources. We do like to link to online texts where possible. Part of the problem is manpower. I&#039;m sure Gideon Burton would welcome volunteers; it is done through a Web interface so you don&#039;t have to be on campus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <a href="http://mormonlit.lib.byu.edu/index.php" rel="nofollow">Mormon Literature database</a> does have links to the AML review database. It also has links to online text of stories from the <i>New Era</i> but not other sources. We do like to link to online texts where possible. Part of the problem is manpower. I&#8217;m sure Gideon Burton would welcome volunteers; it is done through a Web interface so you don&#8217;t have to be on campus.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/essential-mormon-short-story-collections/comment-page-1/#comment-34927</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

The misunderstanding was mutual.

May it never happen again.

:)</description>
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<p>The misunderstanding was mutual.</p>
<p>May it never happen again.</p>
<p>:)</p>
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		<title>By: Wm Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wm Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, sorry. I misunderstood, Theric. No, not if commenters make links. But it makes it easy to make links in posts.

----

Good to hear it Ann. I&#039;ll post the plan early next week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, sorry. I misunderstood, Theric. No, not if commenters make links. But it makes it easy to make links in posts.</p>
<p>&#8212;-</p>
<p>Good to hear it Ann. I&#8217;ll post the plan early next week.</p>
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