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	<title>Comments on: Andrew&#8217;s Mormon Literature Year in Review: National Market 2008, Part Ia</title>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 17:41:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I personally am referring to graphic depiction.

I don&#039;t know where the reviews (from which Andrew drew his conclusions) are drawing the distinctions, but at this point in romance genre development (where Baker/Ashley, Novak, and Feehan are deeply ensconced), &quot;genre norm&quot; covers everything from inspirational romance with barely a kiss to erotic romance.  In other words, there is no genre norm.  And I personally believe that &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; women who write sex don&#039;t do it TO arouse; they write it to explore the characters&#039; journey to love and/or confirmation/consummation of that love. Arousal (if it happens) is a side effect.

(I look at it like a variation on a theme of men using love to get sex and women using sex to get love.)

That said:

I&#039;m not sure a line can be drawn between graphic depiction and intent to arouse because each reader brings his/her own, ah, &quot;baggage&quot; to the work and for me, Random Reader, my response is dependent on A) what&#039;s going on in my life (e.g., stress/money/screeching children/the sound of a cat yakking on the carpet) and B) what&#039;s going on in my hormone fluctuations.

What might trip my trigger one day will make me yawn the next or on a different day, I might skip over it entirely. For instance, I read an erotic romance whose philosophical content was so intriguing, the erotic content irritated me to no end because it got in the way of the far more intriguing concepts.  I also know that if I&#039;d read that two weeks later, it&#039;s likely I&#039;d have had a different response entirely.

With regard to something like &lt;i&gt;Twilight&lt;/i&gt;, wherein there was no graphic terminology/depiction, but the arousal factor was high--I think that was brilliant and, in fact, I&#039;m taking my cue from Meyer as to the touchless/kissless seduction.  (Jury&#039;s still out as to whether she MEANT to do that, a la Pee Wee Herman.)

In this specific instance and context, I&#039;m talking about graphic depiction without regard to arousal (or not).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I personally am referring to graphic depiction.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know where the reviews (from which Andrew drew his conclusions) are drawing the distinctions, but at this point in romance genre development (where Baker/Ashley, Novak, and Feehan are deeply ensconced), &#8220;genre norm&#8221; covers everything from inspirational romance with barely a kiss to erotic romance.  In other words, there is no genre norm.  And I personally believe that <i>most</i> women who write sex don&#8217;t do it TO arouse; they write it to explore the characters&#8217; journey to love and/or confirmation/consummation of that love. Arousal (if it happens) is a side effect.</p>
<p>(I look at it like a variation on a theme of men using love to get sex and women using sex to get love.)</p>
<p>That said:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure a line can be drawn between graphic depiction and intent to arouse because each reader brings his/her own, ah, &#8220;baggage&#8221; to the work and for me, Random Reader, my response is dependent on A) what&#8217;s going on in my life (e.g., stress/money/screeching children/the sound of a cat yakking on the carpet) and B) what&#8217;s going on in my hormone fluctuations.</p>
<p>What might trip my trigger one day will make me yawn the next or on a different day, I might skip over it entirely. For instance, I read an erotic romance whose philosophical content was so intriguing, the erotic content irritated me to no end because it got in the way of the far more intriguing concepts.  I also know that if I&#8217;d read that two weeks later, it&#8217;s likely I&#8217;d have had a different response entirely.</p>
<p>With regard to something like <i>Twilight</i>, wherein there was no graphic terminology/depiction, but the arousal factor was high&#8211;I think that was brilliant and, in fact, I&#8217;m taking my cue from Meyer as to the touchless/kissless seduction.  (Jury&#8217;s still out as to whether she MEANT to do that, a la Pee Wee Herman.)</p>
<p>In this specific instance and context, I&#8217;m talking about graphic depiction without regard to arousal (or not).</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Um, I&#039;m not clear on the distinctions here. Are we talking about graphic terminology or success in causing arousal or something else entirely?</description>
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<p>Um, I&#8217;m not clear on the distinctions here. Are we talking about graphic terminology or success in causing arousal or something else entirely?</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew, just to be clear, I&#039;m not making a judgment on their, ah, &quot;heat&quot; levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew, just to be clear, I&#8217;m not making a judgment on their, ah, &#8220;heat&#8221; levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew H.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/andrews-mormon-literature-year-review-national-market-2008-ia/comment-page-1/#comment-35169</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 16:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I haven&#039;t read most of these novels, so I have to rely on the reviews I see.  I have not read any of the romance novels in particular.  I got the sense from the reviews that Novak and Ashley&#039;s sex scenes were tamer than the genre norm.  But &quot;chaste&quot; certainly was overdoing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I haven&#8217;t read most of these novels, so I have to rely on the reviews I see.  I have not read any of the romance novels in particular.  I got the sense from the reviews that Novak and Ashley&#8217;s sex scenes were tamer than the genre norm.  But &#8220;chaste&#8221; certainly was overdoing it.</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Brenda Novak, and Amanda Ashley (aka Madeline Baker).  All [two] are known for romance books in which the erotic content is relatively tame and even chaste.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Methinks you haven&#039;t read these writers, because I can assure you...it ain&#039;t chaste.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Brenda Novak, and Amanda Ashley (aka Madeline Baker).  All [two] are known for romance books in which the erotic content is relatively tame and even chaste.</p></blockquote>
<p>Methinks you haven&#8217;t read these writers, because I can assure you&#8230;it ain&#8217;t chaste.</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Craner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Craner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 18:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for this Andrew. I had no idea there were so many LDS/Mormon authors on the bestseller list. Kind of changes my perspective.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for this Andrew. I had no idea there were so many LDS/Mormon authors on the bestseller list. Kind of changes my perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahonri Stewart</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mahonri Stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re going to do one on drama like you have in the past, right Andrew? Between New Play Project, Eric Samuelsen, Tim Slover, &quot;Houseboat Honeymoon&quot; and &quot;Roofsliding&quot; at BYU, The Covey Center, and myself, there were a number of new plays this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re going to do one on drama like you have in the past, right Andrew? Between New Play Project, Eric Samuelsen, Tim Slover, &#8220;Houseboat Honeymoon&#8221; and &#8220;Roofsliding&#8221; at BYU, The Covey Center, and myself, there were a number of new plays this year.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 03:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always find Andrew&#039;s summaries depressing, as they remind me of all that I haven&#039;t read...

Good work Andrew.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always find Andrew&#8217;s summaries depressing, as they remind me of all that I haven&#8217;t read&#8230;</p>
<p>Good work Andrew.</p>
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		<title>By: S.P. Bailey</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.P. Bailey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 23:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good stuff. It is an impressive feat for one man to stay on top of so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good stuff. It is an impressive feat for one man to stay on top of so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Fascinating, as always.</description>
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<p>Fascinating, as always.</p>
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