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	<title>Comments on: Airing the Rhetorical Laundry: Breaking through the Administrative Rhetoric</title>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37536</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:45:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You do have a way of rubbing off on people...

And I agree with your agreement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You do have a way of rubbing off on people&#8230;</p>
<p>And I agree with your agreement.</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37535</link>
		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tyler, for shame. You have co-opted my cheekiness.

I would agree with the use of the word NEED versus the use of the word WANT. 

I think people who are more or less OPEN to being challenged, and probably are most open when they most NEED to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tyler, for shame. You have co-opted my cheekiness.</p>
<p>I would agree with the use of the word NEED versus the use of the word WANT. </p>
<p>I think people who are more or less OPEN to being challenged, and probably are most open when they most NEED to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37534</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Aug 2009 00:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Mojo, &lt;i&gt;I&lt;/i&gt; like to think it, so obviously it&#039;s gotta be true, doesn&#039;t it? Don&#039;t be pushing me out of my comfort zone here.

But seriously, rereading what I wrote, I have to agree with you. Most people likely don&#039;t &lt;i&gt;look&lt;/i&gt; for things that make them think outside of themselves because, let&#039;s face it, that can be painful, difficult work. I&#039;ll have to think about how I&#039;d word that differently to express my faith that, deep down, people like or at least need to be challenged...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Mojo, <i>I</i> like to think it, so obviously it&#8217;s gotta be true, doesn&#8217;t it? Don&#8217;t be pushing me out of my comfort zone here.</p>
<p>But seriously, rereading what I wrote, I have to agree with you. Most people likely don&#8217;t <i>look</i> for things that make them think outside of themselves because, let&#8217;s face it, that can be painful, difficult work. I&#8217;ll have to think about how I&#8217;d word that differently to express my faith that, deep down, people like or at least need to be challenged&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MoJo</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37530</link>
		<dc:creator>MoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I like to think people are generally on the lookout for things that make them think, that challenge them out of their comfort zones and into new ways of seeing the world, including the gospel.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;d have to respectfully (although strongly) disagree here. I think that&#039;s exactly opposite of *most* people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I like to think people are generally on the lookout for things that make them think, that challenge them out of their comfort zones and into new ways of seeing the world, including the gospel.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;d have to respectfully (although strongly) disagree here. I think that&#8217;s exactly opposite of *most* people.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37529</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 19:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Willingness to fail outrageously is one of my best traits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>Willingness to fail outrageously is one of my best traits.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37518</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 00:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think people are generally on the lookout for things that make them think, that challenge them out of their comfort zones and into new ways of seeing the world, including the gospel. That becomes difficult in terms of gospel instruction, I think, because we&#039;re presented with the same material over and over again and it sometimes becomes hard to see it in new ways and to present it to others in ways that encourage them to deeper engagement with LDS theology. I&#039;m sure the way you approached your quorum did that for them, even if it was nothing really new for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think people are generally on the lookout for things that make them think, that challenge them out of their comfort zones and into new ways of seeing the world, including the gospel. That becomes difficult in terms of gospel instruction, I think, because we&#8217;re presented with the same material over and over again and it sometimes becomes hard to see it in new ways and to present it to others in ways that encourage them to deeper engagement with LDS theology. I&#8217;m sure the way you approached your quorum did that for them, even if it was nothing really new for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37517</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 23:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Curiously, even though I wasn&#039;t impressed by how mine went, people have been talking to me about how they&#039;re planning to adapt it. So maybe it wasn&#039;t so terrible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>Curiously, even though I wasn&#8217;t impressed by how mine went, people have been talking to me about how they&#8217;re planning to adapt it. So maybe it wasn&#8217;t so terrible.</p>
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		<title>By: Tyler</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37513</link>
		<dc:creator>Tyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Aug 2009 18:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought the discussion in my EQ went well. You&#039;ll find my notes &lt;a href=&quot;http://chasingthelongwhitecloud.blogspot.com/2009/08/that-there-should-be-no-schism-in-body.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought the discussion in my EQ went well. You&#8217;ll find my notes <a href="http://chasingthelongwhitecloud.blogspot.com/2009/08/that-there-should-be-no-schism-in-body.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 22:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Yeah. My brilliant idea was only moderately successful. So it goes. (&lt;a href=&quot;http://thmazing.blogspot.com/2009/08/svithe-workservicepriesthoodlove.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>Yeah. My brilliant idea was only moderately successful. So it goes. (<a href="http://thmazing.blogspot.com/2009/08/svithe-workservicepriesthoodlove.html" rel="nofollow">link</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Langford</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2009/airing-rhetorical-laundry-breaking-through-administrative-rhetoric/comment-page-1/#comment-37454</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan Langford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jul 2009 02:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some thoughts - things I *think* might help, although I don&#039;t have much clear evidence that they actually do...

There&#039;s a sharp limit to how much can be accomplished through the rhetoric of guilt and duty. If it&#039;s been tried and not worked, then some other method ought to be tried: something ideally that appeals to the positive side of quorum members&#039; emotions. Personal experiences about the positive benefits of home teaching could be helpful. Maybe invite quorum members to talk about the best home teachers they&#039;ve had. Talk about what makes a good home teacher, from their experience. Talk about what they like about home teaching - and possibly what they find challenging about it. Turn the discussion into an opportunity for bonding. 

From my experience, making home visits as a presidency - visits to the homes of quorum members, especially - made a bigger difference than anything else we did in my own perception of what my calling was when I was serving in an elder&#039;s quorum presidency. It made the whole thing a lot more real than the statistics-shuffling, ward-move-coordinating, Sunday-meeting-organizing side that often seems to get more of the attention. Not as a substitute for home teaching, but just as a way to get to know the quorum members outside of Sunday meetings. We never did as well with this as I would have liked (and it was largely my fault), but it made a big difference when we *did* do it. I think if we had done it more, it would have helped us to more effectively get the other quorum members excited about doing their visits as well. 

My last thought: The PPI, whatever forum it takes, should provide an opportunity for the home teacher to talk about the family and report on how they&#039;re doing. It should be less a report on home teaching, and more an opportunity for the home teacher to &quot;brief&quot; his PH leader about the families he teaches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some thoughts &#8211; things I *think* might help, although I don&#8217;t have much clear evidence that they actually do&#8230;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a sharp limit to how much can be accomplished through the rhetoric of guilt and duty. If it&#8217;s been tried and not worked, then some other method ought to be tried: something ideally that appeals to the positive side of quorum members&#8217; emotions. Personal experiences about the positive benefits of home teaching could be helpful. Maybe invite quorum members to talk about the best home teachers they&#8217;ve had. Talk about what makes a good home teacher, from their experience. Talk about what they like about home teaching &#8211; and possibly what they find challenging about it. Turn the discussion into an opportunity for bonding. </p>
<p>From my experience, making home visits as a presidency &#8211; visits to the homes of quorum members, especially &#8211; made a bigger difference than anything else we did in my own perception of what my calling was when I was serving in an elder&#8217;s quorum presidency. It made the whole thing a lot more real than the statistics-shuffling, ward-move-coordinating, Sunday-meeting-organizing side that often seems to get more of the attention. Not as a substitute for home teaching, but just as a way to get to know the quorum members outside of Sunday meetings. We never did as well with this as I would have liked (and it was largely my fault), but it made a big difference when we *did* do it. I think if we had done it more, it would have helped us to more effectively get the other quorum members excited about doing their visits as well. </p>
<p>My last thought: The PPI, whatever forum it takes, should provide an opportunity for the home teacher to talk about the family and report on how they&#8217;re doing. It should be less a report on home teaching, and more an opportunity for the home teacher to &#8220;brief&#8221; his PH leader about the families he teaches.</p>
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