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	<title>Comments on: A look at Irreantum 9.2/10.1</title>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2008/irreantum-doubleissue/comment-page-1/#comment-34425</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 19:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Wm et al:

What did you think of &lt;a href=&quot;http://thmazing.blogspot.com/2008/12/irreantum-i-missed-story.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Little Mother&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
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<p>Wm et al:</p>
<p>What did you think of <a href="http://thmazing.blogspot.com/2008/12/irreantum-i-missed-story.html" rel="nofollow">Little Mother</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2008/irreantum-doubleissue/comment-page-1/#comment-34406</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

I&#039;ll agree with, say, &quot;Salt Water&quot; --- it was so weighted down (were the Danish sailors really necessary? or did the author just happen across the Wikipedia page and it was too good to ignore?), but I disagree when it comes to, notably, &quot;Calling and Election.&quot; Yes, it&#039;s disaster after disaster. But it&#039;s the equivalent of the first couple chapters of Job. No, the story hasn&#039;t a happy ending per se, but, with the Mormon perspective of endless progress and a loving God, we are left with the belief that the story&#039;s true ending will be one of exaltation.

And that&#039;s the problem with the p-o-v-switching ending of &quot;Gypsy Holiday&quot; --- it denied us that last chance to see the glory down the road. Instead we looked at a cat. 

(Which really is a shame because I&#039;ve had that story on my mind a lot --- in particular because of Wm&#039;s &quot;Mormons in Diaspora&quot; phrase which feels haunting and very &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt;.)</description>
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<p>I&#8217;ll agree with, say, &#8220;Salt Water&#8221; &#8212; it was so weighted down (were the Danish sailors really necessary? or did the author just happen across the Wikipedia page and it was too good to ignore?), but I disagree when it comes to, notably, &#8220;Calling and Election.&#8221; Yes, it&#8217;s disaster after disaster. But it&#8217;s the equivalent of the first couple chapters of Job. No, the story hasn&#8217;t a happy ending per se, but, with the Mormon perspective of endless progress and a loving God, we are left with the belief that the story&#8217;s true ending will be one of exaltation.</p>
<p>And that&#8217;s the problem with the p-o-v-switching ending of &#8220;Gypsy Holiday&#8221; &#8212; it denied us that last chance to see the glory down the road. Instead we looked at a cat. </p>
<p>(Which really is a shame because I&#8217;ve had that story on my mind a lot &#8212; in particular because of Wm&#8217;s &#8220;Mormons in Diaspora&#8221; phrase which feels haunting and very <i>me</i>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Craner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Craner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Dec 2008 05:37:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think one reason I struggled with these stories was because they didn&#039;t &quot;feel Mormon&quot; to me. Like you pointed out, there was very little humor or optimism or any sense of progress--those are all things that are essentially Mormon to my mind and it was weird to read stories completely missing them. Now, I&#039;m not one of those readers who is always looking for a happy ending. It just all seemed overwrought. Of course, I have yet to write any successful fiction so I guess I shouldn&#039;t talk :)

It wasn&#039;t that I didn&#039;t like the stories, though. It was just a struggle to read them and it wasn&#039;t a pleasant one. But sometimes reading isn&#039;t supposed to be that way. That said, I&#039;m glad I read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one reason I struggled with these stories was because they didn&#8217;t &#8220;feel Mormon&#8221; to me. Like you pointed out, there was very little humor or optimism or any sense of progress&#8211;those are all things that are essentially Mormon to my mind and it was weird to read stories completely missing them. Now, I&#8217;m not one of those readers who is always looking for a happy ending. It just all seemed overwrought. Of course, I have yet to write any successful fiction so I guess I shouldn&#8217;t talk :)</p>
<p>It wasn&#8217;t that I didn&#8217;t like the stories, though. It was just a struggle to read them and it wasn&#8217;t a pleasant one. But sometimes reading isn&#8217;t supposed to be that way. That said, I&#8217;m glad I read it.</p>
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		<title>By: Th.</title>
		<link>http://www.motleyvision.org/2008/irreantum-doubleissue/comment-page-1/#comment-34311</link>
		<dc:creator>Th.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:52:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Well, as you know, I don&#039;t agree with you on every point, but I do agree that all your complaints are exceedingly fair when pointed at Cope&#039;s story so I&#039;ll call that common ground and proceed from there.

Two things that surprise me about my own writing are a) how little explicitly Mormon work I produce and b) how little &#039;hypermodern&#039; work I produce.

I&#039;m surprised because I &lt;i&gt;like&lt;/i&gt; both types of stories --- but I also tend to be much more critical of both types of stories as well. I suffer no fools when it comes to the hypermodern (I say I like it, but I despise most of it) and I am more easily irritated by even slightly bad character development in Mormon work.

But that said, I am, overall, loving &lt;i&gt;Irreantum&lt;/i&gt;. It&#039;s giving me hope for the future of the mag. I think the direction is UP now and I hope to ride it to the peak.</description>
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<p>Well, as you know, I don&#8217;t agree with you on every point, but I do agree that all your complaints are exceedingly fair when pointed at Cope&#8217;s story so I&#8217;ll call that common ground and proceed from there.</p>
<p>Two things that surprise me about my own writing are a) how little explicitly Mormon work I produce and b) how little &#8216;hypermodern&#8217; work I produce.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised because I <i>like</i> both types of stories &#8212; but I also tend to be much more critical of both types of stories as well. I suffer no fools when it comes to the hypermodern (I say I like it, but I despise most of it) and I am more easily irritated by even slightly bad character development in Mormon work.</p>
<p>But that said, I am, overall, loving <i>Irreantum</i>. It&#8217;s giving me hope for the future of the mag. I think the direction is UP now and I hope to ride it to the peak.</p>
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		<title>By: William Morris</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Dec 2008 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm. I guess one could sum up the entire post and save you all the angst by just stating: It&#039;s possible that I just can&#039;t be pleased when it comes to Mormon fiction and so my opinions should be taken with a flake of salt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. I guess one could sum up the entire post and save you all the angst by just stating: It&#8217;s possible that I just can&#8217;t be pleased when it comes to Mormon fiction and so my opinions should be taken with a flake of salt.</p>
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