“Mainliner Accommodative Vs Fundemental Truth .
(Sociologies of discontent.)

Being born into a now apostasy of what was an “Restoration of all things”, I feared joining this schism for a fear to a return to
Ye Old’e days of “spill your own blood”, “for stargazing” sermons and, totalitarianism?
Alienation in the Gospel, let alone outside is an enormous issue.The mainstream church is accommodative, yet I perceive a different, “line of fire”, not ring.
Accommodative of new members, and cautionary of old or established members. “Well mold them”,stiff collar.etc.
Those with worthiness issues are put on the back-burner.or in other words, “Hell”! See. (Perpetual Disfellowship)
Worth to the church equals worthiness.
Alienation can be of a members eccentricity or unconventional mode of socialization. If they become aware of the Apostasy
From former teaching, laws and ordinances, not being practiced this may drive their feelings into despair, and initiate their inactivity and apostasy fromThe Hierarchy or church. I feel True Apostasy is only that between the individual and the Lord, not from inactive church activity. I.e. Excommunication does not amount to apostasy from God or The Priesthood. Lehi and his family departed into the wilderness, away from the corrupt apostate Jewish church before it was to late, yet retained the priesthood. Our relationship with the almighty is That as Hugh Nibley, wrote, as intimate as can be.
With alienation from inactivity for fear of partaking in an Apostate Hierarchy, comes alienation from Worship and apostate ordinances and emblems. So does this amount to alienation from God?
The individual has not place to go to worship God. In Avraham
Gildi book “The literary work of Isaiah” Pg 27. Israel’s past as a type for the future, it talks of how Israel alienated itself from the Lord anciently, “so they could an would again”. This is the message for our day, Yet the apostasy or alienation of the church
And its members from the Lord” presents a very difficult problem.
How are we saved in an apostate hierarchy alienated from the correct laws and ordinances of the Gospel? If true Zion is with the Splinter Group or “so Called” LDS dissenters who live the correct “laws of Zion”, and we don’t join them, then what becomes of the world Outside this Zion?, how is the gathering of the wheat from tares in the apostate gentile churches had? It seems to be a case of “Hold on to the Hierarchy and hope for the best”, Not the Beast!

The Problem with Faith Promoting Material.

“Faith promoting Material” in historical material and non-canon scripture can promote blindness to discerning Truth in an Organizational Hierarchy “Trust not in the hand of flesh.”
To discern properly truth, we need opposing options, arguments and criticism. “Their must be opposition in all things” Otherwise we have a Totalitarianism, that cannot be easily be “in check” for improper actions, of the Hierarchy. Orwell’s book 1984 shows the deception Played out on the preterit, when only material supported by the Hierarchy is read an encouraged.

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Posted by Shelly

I’ve updated the links.

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Pris:

I know what you are talking about. But I don’t know how much of a problem it is. Or rather it seems to me that the problem isn’t a concern over “edgy” work [placing that within a certain parameter, of course. that is to say assuming that the work can still be seen as "faithful" even if it is "challenging"] but rather the problem that because of those concerns the market has been rather narrow up to this point which means that many prospective LDS consumers have ignored it because they can find better created, more interesting work elsewhere. 

Posted by William Morris

Thanks so much for these recommendations. I definitely plan on checking them out. 

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Posted by danithew

Mainly in rock music, but in other kinds as well, it seems that the best songs have some sort of “conflict” at the center (unreturned love, disrespect, etc.). At very least, the best music (or, what is generally considered the best music) is challenging to the listener. Perhaps “challenging” isn’t the best word, but I mean “music that makes the listener think about it”. It seems to me that the ultimate downfall of CCM (at least in the music geek community) is that it doesn’t do this–it is “too safe”, “too nice”, “too orthodox”…that sort of thing.

Do you see what I’m talking about? Is this even a “problem”? And, specifically in a LDS context, how can LDS musicians create music that is “edgy” or “challenging” in a culture that is hesitant about a whit of dissent? (For some have even been hesitant about the rocked-up hymns on the RM soundtrack.) 

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